Coronavirus. Not to be confused with Norcovirus.

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If there are two schools of thought @Mikie, I'm in neither. It is a big deal, but the numbers are deceptive and are being used to show that it is and simultaneously that it isn't a big deal.
  • It is highly contagious.
  • It is carried by people who are mostly asymptomatic.
  • It can be spread for weeks before symptoms arise.
  • It is more deadly and damaging than regular flu (between slightly and 10x more deadly, depending on what numbers you ascribe to) - especially in concentration.
  • We don't have a vaccine.
  • We don't have enough tests.
  • We don't have an effective treatment.
  • We don't have enough protection, medical equipment or supplies to deal with the large numbers that pop up in some areas (and left unchecked, could quickly overwhelm any specific location).
  • Places where it has taken hold have been horribly overwhelmed.

I don't know that anybody from "either side" would argue those statements. If those are givens, then we cannot conclude that we should just ignore it and treat it like any other flu. So I think a measured, systematic, planned response at this point is the best way forward. Not throwing open the gates, undoing all of the work we've done and saying "OK, we're fine now. We can handle it." We probably shouldn't rush it, but we certainly won't need to wait until it's eradicated, just until we can manage it like we do other infectious diseases. I'd love it if we could start responsibly opening up businesses as we get the tests, medicines, equipment, supplies and education in place and ready. I really don't see us re-opening schools this year though, although I wish we could do so safely.

Be well y'all!

Now where did I put my 6th beer?
 
Mikie said:
We all know how we catch the Flu. Same way you catch COVID-19. I have never had cleaner hands in my LIFE, more oil deficient skin from hand sanitizer, and I have forced myself to wear surgical gloves when I get gas, and not touch my face. I’m doing all I can to protect me and Miss Cathy. I have kept her home as I have gone to work every day.
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In my new county in North Carolina, we just had our second death from complications associated with CoViD-19. Both individuals had underlying conditions that made them particularly vulnerable. Fortunately, no one in my zip code has tested positive.

That said, I've been doing the same as you. Washing hands until my hands feel like leather. Using gloves when pumping gas. Maintaining social distancing. Avoiding trips out (haven't been to Costco since last Friday,, starting to feel withdrawal symptoms).

But as I have said many times, I am seriously concerned that (1) we are woefully behind in terms of testing and measuring, so that we don't have any idea where we truly stand with this disease and that people are making decisions based on fears, not facts (2) the long-term economic impact is going to be broader and deeper than people realize. The economy isn't two parties conducting transactions; it is a chain, and an action at one end of the chain has a multiplying effect as you move down the chain.

One thing's for certain; this is going to be one of those lifetime events that people will be telling their grandchildren about.

Mikie said:
I think what he is saying is it’s a normal week for him. Go to work, have the weekend off, ride bikes.
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As far as counting our blessings... thank goodness for the Internet and e-commerce. Can you imagine what conditions would be like if this disease had broken out in 1990 instead of 2020? Every time my UPS truck pulls up, I want to kiss the driver! (no tongue, however... I'm not THAT crazy!)
 
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herzalot said:
If there are two schools of thought @Mikie, I'm in neither. It is a big deal, but the numbers are deceptive and are being used to show that it is and simultaneously that it isn't a big deal.
  • It is highly contagious.
  • It is carried by people who are mostly asymptomatic.
  • It can be spread for weeks before symptoms arise.
  • It is more deadly and damaging than regular flu (between slightly and 10x more deadly, depending on what numbers you ascribe to) - especially in concentration.
  • We don't have a vaccine.
  • We don't have enough tests.
  • We don't have an effective treatment.
  • We don't have enough protection, medical equipment or supplies to deal with the large numbers that pop up in some areas (and left unchecked, could quickly overwhelm any specific location).
  • Places where it has taken hold have been horribly overwhelmed.

I don't know that anybody from "either side" would argue those statements. If those are givens, then we cannot conclude that we should just ignore it and treat it like any other flu. So I think a measured, systematic, planned response at this point is the best way forward. Not throwing open the gates, undoing all of the work we've done and saying "OK, we're fine now. We can handle it." We probably shouldn't rush it, but we certainly won't need to wait until it's eradicated, just until we can manage it like we do other infectious diseases. I'd love it if we could start responsibly opening up businesses as we get the tests, medicines, equipment, supplies and education in place and ready. I really don't see us re-opening schools this year though, although I wish we could do so safely.

Be well y'all!

Now where did I put my 6th beer?
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Agreed. Regardless of what you think of G Newsome, he stated it in the best way I've heard so far. We don't start the economy like a light switch, all of a sudden ON. It'll probably be more like a dimmer switch. Sounds like what governors are talking about doing in the NE and W coasts.
 
herzalot said:
If there are two schools of thought @Mikie, I'm in neither. It is a big deal, but the numbers are deceptive and are being used to show that it is and simultaneously that it isn't a big deal.
  • It is highly contagious.
  • It is carried by people who are mostly asymptomatic.
  • It can be spread for weeks before symptoms arise.
  • It is more deadly and damaging than regular flu (between slightly and 10x more deadly, depending on what numbers you ascribe to) - especially in concentration.
  • We don't have a vaccine.
  • We don't have enough tests.
  • We don't have an effective treatment.
  • We don't have enough protection, medical equipment or supplies to deal with the large numbers that pop up in some areas (and left unchecked, could quickly overwhelm any specific location).
  • Places where it has taken hold have been horribly overwhelmed.

I don't know that anybody from "either side" would argue those statements. If those are givens, then we cannot conclude that we should just ignore it and treat it like any other flu. So I think a measured, systematic, planned response at this point is the best way forward. Not throwing open the gates, undoing all of the work we've done and saying "OK, we're fine now. We can handle it." We probably shouldn't rush it, but we certainly won't need to wait until it's eradicated, just until we can manage it like we do other infectious diseases. I'd love it if we could start responsibly opening up businesses as we get the tests, medicines, equipment, supplies and education in place and ready. I really don't see us re-opening schools this year though, although I wish we could do so safely.

Be well y'all!

Great list (IMO), and I'll add:
1) Varying reports suggest you may be able to re-contract it.
2) It could be like the 1918 variety and seem to leave, then return more virulent and deadly about six months later.
3) It's a horrible way to die (is there a good one?), alone on a ventilator.
4) It can be devastating - 45 residents in a senior facility somewhere in the south dead .
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Sorry, screwed up; wanted to add to herzalot's excellent (IMO) list:
1) There are conflicting reports that individuals may be able to re-contract it.
2) It may repeat the 1918 pandemic and seem to disappear, then return more virulent and deadly.
3) It can be so devastating - 45 individuals dead in a facility in the south
4) It's a horrible way to die (is there a good one?), alone on a ventilator.
 
Latest rumors:

*I've heard that ventilators can make it worse
*I've heard that there is 3 or 4 versions (mutation) of this virus going around now which helps to explain why some are affected and some are not

Fact:

I had my temp taken at a hospital the other day for screening before I was permitted to enter. My temp reading was something like 96.6. Am I really that cold hearted?!
 
mtbMike said:
They added 3700 today that never tested positive for the virus. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html

Add that to Dr Birx earlier statement and it's an undisputed fact that the Covid death numbers are inflated. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...we_are_counting_that_as_a_covid-19_death.html
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I think we are likely undercounting deaths. Poor testing and excess deaths are likely confounders here.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85925

[URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/14/candace-owens/covid-19-skeptics-say-theres-overcount-doctors-fie/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/08/tucker-carlsons-brit-humes-faulty-theories-about-coronavirus-deaths-being-exaggerated/%3foutputType=amp[/URL]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN21P3KF



 
fos'l said:
Sorry, screwed up; wanted to add to herzalot's excellent (IMO) list:
1) There are conflicting reports that individuals may be able to re-contract it.
2) It may repeat the 1918 pandemic and seem to disappear, then return more virulent and deadly.
3) It can be so devastating - 45 individuals dead in a facility in the south
4) It's a horrible way to die (is there a good one?), alone on a ventilator.
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Possible re reinfection...here are some other explanations:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com...atients-might-have-tested-positive-twice/amp/
 
Sassyquatch said:
I think we are likely undercounting deaths. Poor testing and excess deaths are likely confounders here.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85925
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85925
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...19-skeptics-say-theres-overcount-doctors-fie/
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85925
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/08/tucker-carlsons-brit-humes-faulty-theories-about-coronavirus-deaths-being-exaggerated/?outputType=amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN21P3KF


https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85925
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OTOH...Asymptomatic rate is likely going to be higher than thought initially, so will be interesting to see where the case fatality rate ends up if/when we get better testing.
 
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Completely off topic, but that post reminded me of Sheriff Judd.

After his deputies shot and killed a cop killer, Sheriff Grady Judd of Polk County, Florida was asked why the suspect was shot 68 times... His answer: “That’s all the bullets we had or we would have shot him more."

I always loved Sheriff Judd. He's been in office for a couple decades now... YouTube is full of his best clips.

Derail over. Go back to solving the world's coronavirus issues.
 
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This thread is turning into a laughing stock and there isn't anything funny about it. COVID-19 has been so stretched out and over-inflated that it's getting hard to take what anyone is saying in the media seriously. There is too many opinions out there without an accurate basis.

Humanity needs to take a step backward, close their eyes and count to ten, take a deep breath, exhale, open their eyes and see clearly and not be led or blinded by some crazed fools who continue to feed the world-wide troll.

Let science do their studies and research. It's way too early to have an opinion. We don't know enough yet.

All we need to do for now is our part to prevent the spread of this thing. That's the one way each and every one of us can help.
 
"No large gatherings till 2021"...Woke up to an email from the San Diego County Fair-cancelled.
Expecting the rest of the Counties to follow suit.
The Fairs may say County but they're overseen by the CA State Agricultural Association.
There goes my business for the year!
Time to make a sign and pick a good off-ramp...:unsure:
 
rossage said:
"No large gatherings till 2021"...Woke up to an email from the San Diego County Fair-cancelled.
Expecting the rest of the Counties to follow suit.
The Fairs may say County but they're overseen by the CA State Agricultural Association.
There goes my business for the year!
Time to make a sign and pick a good off-ramp...:unsure:
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Why not apply at Walmart for a entrance greeter position? Easy money! :thumbsup:
 
rossage said:
"No large gatherings till 2021"...Woke up to an email from the San Diego County Fair-cancelled.
Expecting the rest of the Counties to follow suit.
The Fairs may say County but they're overseen by the CA State Agricultural Association.
There goes my business for the year!
Time to make a sign and pick a good off-ramp...:unsure:
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Sh!t. Sorry to hear that. I hope we (the collective we including the gubbmint) can walk this back sooner than that based on prevalence, prevention and treatment.
 
rossage said:
"No large gatherings till 2021"...Woke up to an email from the San Diego County Fair-cancelled.
Expecting the rest of the Counties to follow suit.
The Fairs may say County but they're overseen by the CA State Agricultural Association.
There goes my business for the year!
Time to make a sign and pick a good off-ramp...:unsure:
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Sorry to hear it! Resourceful people will be resourceful, no off-ramp for you. :geek:

My work is way off, too. It can't go on forever. But right now I'm going to enjoy the light schedule.

You got this! :)
 
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