The coffee lover thread

My apologies if this comes across as anything but info sharing...

IMO, for non-espresso prep, especially if you're willing to buy locally fresh roasted coffee, they'd be happy to grind it in their state-of-the-art grinder (just about every local roastery will have that exact same grinder). Just tell them how you plan to make coffee, pourover or press or..., and they'll know where to adjust the grind dial. Coffee geeks will say you must grind right before you brew and while that is ideal, it's not always possible (travel for instance) or if you want the best grind possible and rather not spend equivalent to a decent full suspension bike for one. Transfer the grind into smaller mason jars, should be good for at least a week or more...

For espresso, now we're talking... If you have about 20 mins or so, from start to cleanup... (less if you don't froth milk)

Again, grinder first... The best espresso grinder in its class is the OE Pharos (I had 2 of them, each adjusted for a different espresso machine):

http://www.oehandgrinders.com/PHAROS_c_22.html

If you want that same burr set in a motorized grinder, instead of cranking the handle yourself, the Compak K10 is $2K.
Those would be equivalent to almost every cafe's espresso grinder, but not quite state of the art. Just quickly... cafes serve medium/dark roasts (for lattes) and these grinders are great for that roast level and espresso blends. If you want to explore lightly roasted and/or single origins, then there are better grinders for that purpose. In short, the darker the roast, the easier it is; the lighter the roast, the more difficult (ie more $$$$).

As for the machine... They're just hot water delivery w/ a pump. Usually cost goes up as the espresso brew boiler gets larger (for temp stability) or more complicated electronics for various other things (temp, preinfusion...). Same goes for the steam boiler if it's a double-boiler machine; generally larger more $, all things equal. Then aesthetics (lots of chrome or chunky metals) and of course brand name. Most are made in Italy, assembled by Fiat moonlighters, they're pretty to look at and generally very reliable with normal basic maintenance. Just don't look under the hood...

I'd recommend these 2 reputable vendors as a starting point:

https://www.chriscoffee.com/
https://www.seattlecoffeegear.com/

I'd be more than happy to lend out my Pharos as it's collecting dust for years as a backup and help you spend as much of your hard earned money as possible. It's fun to spend other people's money.

It's like bikes... if you're in it for the long haul, you're likely to regret having started w/ a "starter" bike and go thru many upgrades before settling on a bike. For a year or 2. You prob don't want to do that w/ espresso neither unfor as I have. And like bikes, there're tons of classifieds but decent and popular equipment often times not very discounted on the used market. Sometimes demos from above vendors are not much diff.


If I went that far in the budget, I’d have to sleep with one eye open... The super automatic I bought refurbished is as far as I could safely push the wife envelope. :D :eek:

Although... I’ve recently begun to leave web pages with La Pavonis open on the computer. I’m sure she’s noticed, and we’ll start the negotiations at some point. :p
 
This may be heresy but a capsule machine such as Nespresso, and I have one, does not produce a "traditional" shot of espresso.
That's not to say Nespresso isn't good, it just isn't espresso. Sorta like a pourover is not the same as a french press.

Espresso is thick syrupy like used motor oil in most cases. Nespresso is somewhere between a drip and an espresso, prob close to what a moka pot produces.
 
This may be heresy but a capsule machine such as Nespresso, and I have one, does not produce a "traditional" shot of espresso.
That's not to say Nespresso isn't good, it just isn't espresso. Sorta like a pourover is not the same as a french press.

Espresso is thick syrupy like used motor oil in most cases. Nespresso is somewhere between a drip and an espresso, prob close to what a moka pot produces.
Yep, I think that’s why my husband didn’t like it. That and he wants to create the espresso himself:thumbsup: It seems to be an art
You are a wealth of information, thanks for sharing!
 
next thing you know, he'll want to do latte art... :-)

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For years I was swilling happily w/ a 1-serving moka pot minding my own business. Then about 15 yrs ago, my wife thought it'd be a good idea to give me a $50 espresso machine from costco for xmas. I struggled to get anything drinkable out of that machine, the grinder I had, and the lack of fresh roasted coffee locally and fell into a rabbit hole...
 
Sara, it's only an art, or should I say a struggle, with an iffy grinder. Changing to different beans requires adjustments and often times, you'd have several sink shots (undrinkable, down the sink it goes) before you can make something that's drinkable, if at all with that particular bean. Even w/ the Pharos/K10, there will be sink shots. More with lesser grinders. I've experienced enough of bags from reputable roasters that all went into the sink, cannot get a single drinkable shot and I'm talking ultra bitter and/or battery acid sour bad. Sometimes they taste that way in their cafes, third wave they may call themselves...

With the right grinder, it becomes routine. Chasing the "god shot" may still be challenging, requires adjusting grind/dose/temp... But once I'd upgraded my grinder yet again, I have never had to pour a shot down the sink the last 5+ years. It may not be great but it's good enough to drink, unless the roast was just wrong, then I gift it away. Haha.
 
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He is an artist so I’m sure you’re correct!
I can’t believe how high the prices are for some of those machines:confused: I’d have to get a real job!
But like the guys said, it’s like buying your first bike..don’t get it at Walmart, even if it’s preowned..get something that’s gonna last at least a little while!
 
I've been consistent in my posts... "grinder first". That's why I recommended manual grinders, much cheaper than motorized.

An espresso machine is just a hot water pump, some with very complex functions but let's not go there (temp/pressure/flow profiling). The grinder has a disproportionately larger effect on the outcome than the machine.
 
If I went that far in the budget, I’d have to sleep with one eye open... The super automatic I bought refurbished is as far as I could safely push the wife envelope. :D :eek:

Although... I’ve recently begun to leave web pages with La Pavonis open on the computer. I’m sure she’s noticed, and we’ll start the negotiations at some point. :p
You’ll shoot your eye out, kid!
 
I've been consistent in my posts... "grinder first". That's why I recommended manual grinders, much cheaper than motorized.

An espresso machine is just a hot water pump, some with very complex functions but let's not go there (temp/pressure/flow profiling). The grinder has a disproportionately larger effect on the outcome than the machine.
Super info, this quick thread will save me hours of internet research!:)
@DangerDirtyD :laugh:
 
My best ever coffee was had summer 2007 at a camp along Beaver Creek somewhere between Tok and Whitehorse. Mamas didn’t know how to make coffee so she just took the gallon kettle with yesterday’s grounds and added more grounds and water and boiled it. The crew said it was the best coffee ever. It must have been a cold and rainy morning.
 
My best ever coffee was had summer 2007 at a camp along Beaver Creek somewhere between Tok and Whitehorse. Mamas didn’t know how to make coffee so she just took the gallon kettle with yesterday’s grounds and added more grounds and water and boiled it. The crew said it was the best coffee ever. It must have been a cold and rainy morning.

What about that time me and you and the Malemute Kid rode the ice flow to getaway from the RCMP?
That squaw made coffee in a hail of lead along the roiling waters of the Yukon.
 
Just sharing...

I rarely buy roasted beans but when I do, it's usually from Nossa esp when they have coupons (30% off coffee and free shipping coupons). I only ever get the Full Cycle (owners are bike fanatics) espresso blend, it's roasted on the fairly lighter side. I've ordered Full Cycle many times and I've had great espresso from it and occasionally not so great.

https://www.nossacoffee.com/coffee

Note: total price after both coupons must be over $25 for both to work.
 
Just wanted to update...

I haven't been paying attention to the development of modding the Breville 920XL. It seems to be a "player". Even in stock form, it's beyond the capabilities of standard espresso machines 2x its price point if you don't mind its "domestic" appearance. With the simple mods, it can mimic flow/pressure control of much more expensive machine. I believe it's the least expensive machine capable of that. I am tempted to try one...

The 920XL is the only "coffee geek" model in the lineup.
 
Coffee.. never had a bad cup... even the coffee mixed with dirt was still pretty tasty ...
Me, "..is that dirt mixed in that bag?"
Guatemalan dude, "..it makes it taste earthy.."

I had a friend when I was younger... Older German lady. If I brought her coffee from Dunkin Donuts (or anywhere else), she would try it, wrinkle her nose, swear in German about weak American coffee, and then stir in 3 or 4 spoons full of instant until it was a nice gritty sludge. :p
 
I had a friend when I was younger... Older German lady. If I brought her coffee from Dunkin Donuts (or anywhere else), she would try it, wrinkle her nose, swear in German about weak American coffee, and then stir in 3 or 4 spoons full of instant until it was a nice gritty sludge. :p

Platoon Sergeant in the Marines would just pour instant coffee into his mouth and swish it down with canteen water. Followed it up with a smoke.
 
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