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@herzalot >And if this pic was not snapped before the store was opened well, I don’t see a crowd like you would see here! Needless to say this would be big peace of mind and a hole lot less stress!

Everything's relative. Apparently there was a big rush a couple of weeks ago when people were stocking up... but now not as much, at least with paper goods. However they are out of some things as well, for example nitrile gloves, of which I bought a box before I left the OC. Because we are getting settled here, I have been to Costco four out of the last four days, so it was interesting to see how the stock changed on a daily basis. However I'm not kidding the foot traffic is easily 1/4 as much as my California Costco. I think it is just a case of Costco not being as well established on the East Coast. People are more familiar with Sam's Club. However this weekend was really crowded and some things - like raw chicken - were in short supply. However when I was there today the refrigerator bin of raw chicken was full and no one seemed to be panic-buying it... so who's to say?

wait til hurricane season

Not sure that people realize that Charlotte is 200 miles from the coast.
 
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I like that my grocery run outfit is basically an expensive version of my teenaged anarcho-punk look.

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Anybody read about "herd immunity" that some are hypothesizing may be why CA seems to be having fewer cases than predicted? Someone here thought he had an early version of a "virus" late last year or early this year which may be contributing to the lower than expected rates too.

We have fewer cases than Gavin Newsom predicted because he's an idiot.

My doctor thinks I might have had it in December. He said when they ability to test people for the antibodies comes out, he wants to test me. My annual physical is in June so I told him he can do it then....or wait until June 2021. :inlove:
 
Just curious - how, in this context, is he an idiot?

He said 25 million Californians were going to Covid19. All you had to do was look at the worldwide numbers to know that's a ridiculous statement. We're still only at 1.5 million, just a tad short of the 1.4 BILLION that had swine flu in 2009. Besides, there's not enough bandwidth on the World Wide Web to list all the issues where he is an idiot and we're supposed to avoid politics so I'll stop myself now.
 
He said 25 million Californians were going to Covid19. All you had to do was look at the worldwide numbers to know that's a ridiculous statement. We're still only at 1.5 million, just a tad short of the 1.4 BILLION that had swine flu in 2009. Besides, there's not enough bandwidth on the World Wide Web to list all the issues where he is an idiot and we're supposed to avoid politics so I'll stop myself now.
Nor enough bandwidth to list all of the issues where a certain other leader has been an idiot and said ridiculously erroneous things to make himself look "really, really good."

But thanks for clarifying that Newsom said it could get to 25 million Californians. Still might, since most are asymptomatic and may never know it. 60% in some places (England, Iceland). Let's see 60% of 40 million... Hmmm....

And I will drop it here as well.
 
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Anybody read about "herd immunity" that some are hypothesizing may be why CA seems to be having fewer cases than predicted? Someone here thought he had an early version of a "virus" late last year or early this year which may be contributing to the lower than expected rates too.
We have fewer cases than Gavin Newsom predicted because he's an idiot.

My doctor thinks I might have had it in December. He said when they ability to test people for the antibodies comes out, he wants to test me. My annual physical is in June so I told him he can do it then....or wait until June 2021. :inlove:
I've heard several people say that they may have had it a few months back, before it supposedly reached the US. Some of them became very ill, too.

While it's possible, it would seem that what people had was something else because their symptoms did not fit the list of symptoms known with this virus. But, who knows??

Now, the Governors are blowing it out of proportion on purpose. It's a method of getting the masses to cooperate AND a method of keeping the stream of supplies coming in, uninterrupted AND a means of being prepared for the worst, just in case. ...And, it's working. I knew the minute that they closed everything down and then limited us to what we could do outdoors, that we would kick this thing in the ass quickly. And, we have. There is tens of millions of people in this state. How many are infected? Not many, considering the actual population. And of all of those tested, only a very low percentage of them actually tested positive, proof that we also have the seasonal flu and colds for all of the others who had symptoms and got tested.

So yes, the scare tactic is a chicken Sh!t way to get it done, but considering the immense population our Governor had to deal with, how else is he going to get everyone's attention AND get them to cooperate AND be prepared for the worst? I think he did a fabulous job and I don't even like the guy! Our state is being commended for how we've handled it, so be proud.

If he had gone about dealing with this pandemic in a more relaxed manor, we could have had another New York on our hands HERE. That's not to say that NY's Governor went about it wrong. That state was poised for a massive problem since everyone lives and functions in extremely close proximate to each other. One of our saving graces is the fact that we are spread out over large areas.
 
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I've heard several people say that they may have had it a few months back, before it supposedly reach the US. Some of them became very ill, too.

While it's possible, it would seem that what people had was something else because their symptoms did not fit the list of symptoms known with this virus. But, who knows??

Now, the Governors are blowing it out of proportion on purpose. It's a method of getting the masses to cooperate AND a method of keeping the stream of supplies coming in, uninterrupted AND a means of being prepared for the worst, just in case. ...And, it's working. I knew the minute that they closed everything down and then limited us to what we could do outdoors, that we would kick this thing in the ass quickly. And, we have. There is tens of millions of people in this state. How many are infected? Not many, considering the actual population. And of all of those tested, only a very low percentage of them actually tested positive, proof that we also have the seasonal flu and colds for all of the others who had symptoms and got tested.

So yes, the scare tactic is a chicken Sh!t way to get it done, but considering the immense population our Governor had to deal with, how else is he going to get everyone's attention AND get them to cooperate AND be prepared for the worst? I think he did a fabulous job and I don't even like the guy! Our state is being commended for how we've handled it, so be proud.

If he had gone about dealing with this pandemic in a more relaxed manor, we could have another New York on our hands HERE. That's not to say that NY's Governor went about it wrong. That state was poised for a massive problem since everyone lives and functions in extremely close proximate to each other. One of our saving graces is the fact that we are spread out over large areas.

Fair enough and you may be right but if you are, it just proves people are dumber than even I believed and are complete sheeple to believe anything a politician spews without doing your own homework. Scaring people is not the answer in my opinion. Telling people the honest truth would be a good starting point. We wouldn't have had so much hoarding and people flooding into emergency rooms because they had a sore throat which according to my ER doctor 'nephew in law' and ER Nurse Practitioner neice said was 100X the problem of actual Covid19 patients.
 
Fair enough and you may be right but if you are, it just proves people are dumber than even I believed and are complete sheeple to believe anything a politician spews without doing your own homework. Scaring people is not the answer in my opinion. Telling people the honest truth would be a good starting point. We wouldn't have had so much hoarding and people flooding into emergency rooms because they had a sore throat which according to my ER doctor 'nephew in law' and ER Nurse Practitioner neice said was 100X the problem of actual Covid19 patients.
He is/was being truthful in a truth stretching way. What if this thing really did get that bad? I doubt he is laying in bed at night thinking to himself "LOL, I scared the piss out of these dumb ass sheeple of California". Trust me, he is/was sweating it hard. Imagine being in his shoes.

The good news is, we are turning the corner on this thing, thanks to everyone. It's going to be a while yet, but we are making progress.
 
He is/was being truthful in a truth stretching way. What if this thing really did get that bad? I doubt he is laying in bed at night thinking to himself "LOL, I scared the piss out of these dumb ass sheeple of California". Trust me, he is/was sweating it hard. Imagine being in his shoes.

The good news is, we are turning the corner on this thing, thanks to everyone. It's going to be a while yet, but we are making progress.

No I don't believe he's sweating anything and no, I don't believe we would have had 25 million cases UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. I can't be in his shoes because I'm too honest.

My wife works in the biotech field. She's not in the science field herself but they have some wicked smart people and a couple of their chemists are currently "loaned out" to a team working on a compound for a Covid vaccine. Their thought process is the US is going to start the decline from the peak on or around the 17th.
 
Not to just join the crowd, but I had a mild "virus" at the end of November (needed to look at some pills my doctor prescribed to stop the coughing to "remember" the date). It was milder than a "regular" flu for me which seems to attack every 5 - 10 years.
Personally, it seems to me the governor, who I never liked until now, had an enormous challenge and executed it well. Always easy to second guess any decision, but not this time (for me).
 
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Keep in mind projected numbers that have been released come from models that are based on actions taken and current data. 25M infections was probably excluded the CA stay at home order and thus had a higher rate of spread than we have now. Our current total of 17,000 cases only has to double 11 times to get to 35M which could take 20-30 days depending on rate of spread. And don't forget our actual case total is a lot higher than that due to limited testing. Stay at home orders and other restrictions have cut the rate of spread from doubling every 2 days to doubling every 3 days across the US in the last 2-3 weeks. California's rate is even lower, probably 3.5-4 days right now which is a huge difference. That is why we are seeing numbers far far lower than 25M. Newsom isn't crazy for quoting that number, it was just a projection based on worst case scenario.

This is a site I follow which updates daily. https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/california. Before it's stay at home order Alabama was screwed. The model showed need for around 30,000 total hospital beds and 2,500 ICU beds compared to much smaller numbers they currently have. Once their stay at home order was put in place the model's assumptions were updated and now it shows them not exceeding the number of beds and ICU beds.
 
No I don't believe he's sweating anything and no, I don't believe we would have had 25 million cases UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. I can't be in his shoes because I'm too honest.

My wife works in the biotech field. She's not in the science field herself but they have some wicked smart people and a couple of their chemists are currently "loaned out" to a team working on a compound for a Covid vaccine. Their thought process is the US is going to start the decline from the peak on or around the 17th.

Worst case scenario figures/scenarios are almost always used in situations that can effect mass populations.

The decline is already happening over parts of the country, not just here and because our Government exaggerated, you will get to go ride the closed trails sooner than if he had not.
 
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I've heard several people say that they may have had it a few months back, before it supposedly reached the US. Some of them became very ill, too.

The whole issue we are really discussing on this thread is one of relative threat/risk. Seasonal flu can be quite debilitating, and somewhere between 30,000 - 100,000 die from it here in the US EVERY YEAR. I don't doubt that every seasonal flu case from 12/2019 until today has people asking "I wonder if it was CoViD-19?" when it probably wasn't. You can almost guarantee that some seasonal flu deaths are being counted as "assumed" CoViD-19 deaths - because they haven't been testing them all due to the lack of test kits.

Right now we are approaching 500,000 confirmed and assumed cases of CoViD-19 in the US.... or about 1/70th of the number of people who had seasonal flu this season. Even if CoViD-19 ends up having 6x the mortality rate of seasonal flu (still very much TBD) you can see that seasonal flu is still a much greater threat - and that's with the availability of a vaccine that shields many of the highest risk people. To date, the number of CoViD-19 deaths is approaching somewhere around 25% of annual deaths from seasonal flu.

Now look at our reaction / response to the CoViD-19 threat. Even if 50,000 people end up dying from CoViD-19 (3x our current level), we will have spent $40 million per fatality on just the government's emergency response plan ($2 trillion). How much greater is the total damage when you take into consideration the long-lasting impact from people losing jobs, companies going bankrupt, divorce, suicide?

FWIW... Sweden is one of the few countries that refuses to crush its economy by closing everything down and sending everyone home from school and work. As of April 9, just under 800 people have died. The mainstream media keeps piling on Sweden talking about how their plan is going to "backfire", but it will be very interesting to see. I think there are a lot of talking heads out there who are desperate to see Sweden fail - because they represent a case example of what "might have been".
 
They are looking at why California hasn't had the number of cases other places have, or the expected numbers. One theory is herd immunity.
Like I mentioned before, I feel strongly that back in January i may have had it, as does my sister and her husband. We live in different parts of so cal, had similar illnesses and no contact for months.

I got sick at a show with a large number of Chinese nationals, many from the Wuhon area.

https://abc7news.com/coronavirus-covid-19-herd-immunity-california/6091220/

Before this I didn't think much of our governor one way or the other. But now, I'm impressed and quite like him. Handled it well, tough choices under pressure, and none of the insults, name calling, tantrums, greed and firing of staff that's become the accepted norm on the Federal level.
 
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The whole issue we are really discussing on this thread is one of relative threat/risk. Seasonal flu can be quite debilitating, and somewhere between 30,000 - 100,000 die from it here in the US EVERY YEAR. I don't doubt that every seasonal flu case from 12/2019 until today has people asking "I wonder if it was CoViD-19?" when it probably wasn't. You can almost guarantee that some seasonal flu deaths are being counted as "assumed" CoViD-19 deaths - because they haven't been testing them all due to the lack of test kits.

Right now we are approaching 500,000 confirmed and assumed cases of CoViD-19 in the US.... or about 1/70th of the number of people who had seasonal flu this season. Even if CoViD-19 ends up having 6x the mortality rate of seasonal flu (still very much TBD) you can see that seasonal flu is still a much greater threat - and that's with the availability of a vaccine that shields many of the highest risk people. To date, the number of CoViD-19 deaths is approaching somewhere around 25% of annual deaths from seasonal flu.

Now look at our reaction / response to the CoViD-19 threat. Even if 50,000 people end up dying from CoViD-19 (3x our current level), we will have spent $40 million per fatality on just the government's emergency response plan ($2 trillion). How much greater is the total damage when you take into consideration the long-lasting impact from people losing jobs, companies going bankrupt, divorce, suicide?

FWIW... Sweden is one of the few countries that refuses to crush its economy by closing everything down and sending everyone home from school and work. As of April 9, just under 800 people have died. The mainstream media keeps piling on Sweden talking about how their plan is going to "backfire", but it will be very interesting to see. I think there are a lot of talking heads out there who are desperate to see Sweden fail - because they represent a case example of what "might have been".
You absolutely have a point. But there is a problem with COVID-19 that makes it far more dangerous than the Flu. It has been spread around by many infected people who no symptoms and had no idea that they were infected. That is the one thing that makes this different and the one thing that has blown it up into what it has become and therefore, why it should not be compared to the Flu.
 
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Sweden has a total population of just over 10 million, roughly that of LA county, with a land mass greater than California.

Just by default they have geographically imposed social distancing unlike the east or west coasts of the US. This may help explain the lower numbers.
Just a thought but make sense.
 
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The whole issue we are really discussing on this thread is one of relative threat/risk. Seasonal flu can be quite debilitating, and somewhere between 30,000 - 100,000 die from it here in the US EVERY YEAR. I don't doubt that every seasonal flu case from 12/2019 until today has people asking "I wonder if it was CoViD-19?" when it probably wasn't. You can almost guarantee that some seasonal flu deaths are being counted as "assumed" CoViD-19 deaths - because they haven't been testing them all due to the lack of test kits.

Right now we are approaching 500,000 confirmed and assumed cases of CoViD-19 in the US.... or about 1/70th of the number of people who had seasonal flu this season. Even if CoViD-19 ends up having 6x the mortality rate of seasonal flu (still very much TBD) you can see that seasonal flu is still a much greater threat - and that's with the availability of a vaccine that shields many of the highest risk people. To date, the number of CoViD-19 deaths is approaching somewhere around 25% of annual deaths from seasonal flu.

Now look at our reaction / response to the CoViD-19 threat. Even if 50,000 people end up dying from CoViD-19 (3x our current level), we will have spent $40 million per fatality on just the government's emergency response plan ($2 trillion). How much greater is the total damage when you take into consideration the long-lasting impact from people losing jobs, companies going bankrupt, divorce, suicide?

FWIW... Sweden is one of the few countries that refuses to crush its economy by closing everything down and sending everyone home from school and work. As of April 9, just under 800 people have died. The mainstream media keeps piling on Sweden talking about how their plan is going to "backfire", but it will be very interesting to see. I think there are a lot of talking heads out there who are desperate to see Sweden fail - because they represent a case example of what "might have been".


You may be correct about the number of deaths from flu each year....but you gotta look at the number of deaths in a very short period.
During a single day, 700 people do not die because of the flu in NY.
 
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Who knows how bad the problem might have been without the extreme measures? Perhaps some areas could have had a lesser response, but not NY or "urban" CA. The "normal" flu abounds every year, but how many individuals are affected? I think this thing would have been much more pervasive and deadly. Maybe the 25 million figure wouldn't have been an exaggeration.
 
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Id hate to be an epidemiologist right now, with everyone on the planet thinking they know better...

I wish the WSJ would temporarily drop their paywall, their article on “why this isn’t just like the flu” today is excellent. I’m not going to re-hash it here, but the tldr is: it’s not just like the flu.
 
Yup. It's just the flu. We should have kept schools, sporting events, conventions, air travel and everything else running as normal, and just treat the sick people. Simple! We are so dumb and so duped by "the media." All of that "Fake News" from New York hospitals and Italy. Dang it! They really got me!
 
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You may be correct about the number of deaths from flu each year....but you gotta look at the number of deaths in a very short period.
During a single day, 700 people do not die because of the flu in NY.

Yep... The Wall Street Journal explored this very topic today... Length of hospital stay (3 versus 12 days), ICU time (<1 versus 11 days) and rate of spread are what jumped out at me the most. The flu season is spread out over 6 months. Norm the numbers to the same time frame that we've seen Covid19, and the picture becomes clearer. They aren't in the same league.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-doesnt-flu-tank-economy-like-covid-19-11586511000

CORONAVIRUS

THE NUMBERS

Why Doesn’t Flu Tank Economy Like Covid-19?

Comparisons between two diseases--based on infections and deaths--missed range of differences

As one state after another issued economy-wrecking stay-at-home orders to counter the spread of the new coronavirus, skeptics asked a confounding question: Millions of Americans get the flu each year, and tens of thousands die from it. Why doesn’t the flu cause a shutdown?

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, up to 55 million Americans got the flu this season, and as many as 63,000 died.

In comparison, more than 450,000 have been diagnosed with Covid-19, according to Johns Hopkins University, and more than 16,000 have died.

But the numbers don’t tell the whole story.

For starters, the flu tallies are estimates of total flu burden, while the Covid-19 figures are confirmed cases only. Eventually, the CDC will estimate the total Covid-19 burden, but for now, the numbers are not an apples-to-apples comparison.

“We always know confirmed cases are an underestimate,” said Lynnette Brammer, who leads the CDC’s domestic influenza-surveillance team.

In addition, Covid-19 differs from the flu in how quickly it spreads, the length and severity of the illness, and the unusual demands a contagion with no cure places on medical staff and facilities.

Instead of gentle waves of cases cascading across the country over a span of six months, like the flu, a tidal wave of Covid-19 cases has swept over a handful of cities in half the time. The concentration of quickly amassing serious infections overwhelmed the affected areas, and the fear is that without social distancing—for now the only effective intervention—other places will have a similar experience.

A snapshot of the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic shows the difference in the speed of transmission between a raging flu and the new coronavirus. Comparing only laboratory-confirmed cases, in the first 102 days of the H1N1 flu pandemic, the CDC reported 43,677 illnesses and 302 deaths. In 22 fewer days, Covid-19 infected nine times more people and killed 42 times as many.

“The flu season is spread out,” said William Schaffner, an infectious-disease specialist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville. “This is being jammed up in a short time frame.”

Covid-19 outbreaks have also been highly localized.

“You’ve got a hot-spot pattern instead of an even pattern,” said Emily Martin, an epidemiologist at the University of Michigan School of Public Health. “All the pressure is concentrated in small areas.”

New York, the state that has been hardest hit, surpassed 160,000 confirmed cases on Thursday, according to Johns Hopkins, accounting for about 37% of U.S. illnesses and 44% of deaths.

With too few beds and not enough staff to respond to the influx, the state resorted to converting hotels, a convention center and a tennis arena into temporary hospitals and called on retired doctors and nurses to return to work. This kind of onslaught doesn’t happen with the flu.

Other regions of the country are bracing for a similar deluge.

Last week, the University of Michigan Medical Center saw its number of Covid-19 inpatients climb to 166. In the coming week, it expects to have 300 to 350 coronavirus-positive patients in the hospital. The center, which has a total of 550 adult beds, typically admits 250 to 300 flu patients over the entire season.

“Usually, a hospital is a bunch of medical patients, surgery patients and cancer patients—it’s a mix,” said Adam Lauring, an associate professor of microbiology and immunology at the university. “We anticipate the hospital will be taken over by Covid-19 and medical patients.”

Not only are more Covid-19 patients coming into hospitals, they require longer care.

The median length of stay for adults hospitalized with seasonal flu is 3.6 days, according to research published in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases.

In nine Seattle-area hospitals, where 12 of 24 Covid-19 patients died through March 23, the median stay was 12 days in the hospital, 9 days in ICU and 10 days on mechanical ventilators. (The median for survivors was 17 days in the hospital, 14 in ICU and 11 on a ventilator.)

“Approximately 20% of Covid-19 patients have needed supplemental oxygen,” said Frederick G. Hayden, an infectious-disease expert at the University of Virginia. “Of those, about one-quarter go on to require intensive-care support for critical illness. Once they are on mechanical ventilation in the ICU, it’s often a protracted stay.”

Having a hospital full of highly contagious patients leads to diminished stores of equipment intended to protect staff members who are also at risk of infection.

The University of Michigan Medical Center now requires everyone to wear a mask. Additionally, anyone caring for patients who have or are suspected of having Covid-19 must wear a gown and eye protection.

During flu season, the center uses “droplet protection” only in some rooms, and there is no universal masking requirement.

“It’s a different world,” Dr. Lauring said.

Most people have some immunity to the flu, either from vaccines or previous exposure, and nearly all health-care workers are protected by the flu shot.

“It’s not unusual to have compliance rates above 95%,” Vanderbilt’s Dr. Schaffner said, referring to vaccinations of hospital employees. “That’s everybody—doctors, nurses, dietitians, people who clean at night—everybody.”

Currently, there is no vaccine or specific treatment for Covid-19, so slowing or stopping its spread has required social distancing.

But there is one quality that might make Covid-19 less problematic than flu.

“It’s not changing and mutating at the rate the flu can do,” said Allison Weinmann, an infectious-disease physician at Henry Ford Health System in Detroit.

That could make it easier for pharmaceutical companies to develop an effective vaccine—and render Covid-19 no more remarkable than the seasonal flu.
 
Yep... The Wall Street Journal explored this very topic today... Length of hospital stay (3 versus 12 days), ICU time (<1 versus 11 days) and rate of spread are what jumped out at me the most. The flu season is spread out over 6 months. Norm the numbers to the same time frame that we've seen Covid19, and the picture becomes clearer. They aren't in the same league.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-doesnt-flu-tank-economy-like-covid-19-11586511000

CORONAVIRUS

THE NUMBERS

Why Doesn’t Flu Tank Economy Like Covid-19?

Comparisons between two diseases--based on infections and deaths--missed range of differences

As one state after another issued economy-wrecking stay-at-home orders to counter the spread of the new coronavirus, skeptics asked a confounding question: Millions of Americans get the flu each year, and tens of thousands die from it. Why doesn’t the flu cause a shutdown?

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, up to 55 million Americans got the flu this season, and as many as 63,000 died.

In comparison, more than 450,000 have been diagnosed with Covid-19, according to Johns Hopkins University, and more than 16,000 have died.

But the numbers don’t tell the whole story.

For starters, the flu tallies are estimates of total flu burden, while the Covid-19 figures are confirmed cases only. Eventually, the CDC will estimate the total Covid-19 burden, but for now, the numbers are not an apples-to-apples comparison.

“We always know confirmed cases are an underestimate,” said Lynnette Brammer, who leads the CDC’s domestic influenza-surveillance team.

In addition, Covid-19 differs from the flu in how quickly it spreads, the length and severity of the illness, and the unusual demands a contagion with no cure places on medical staff and facilities.

Instead of gentle waves of cases cascading across the country over a span of six months, like the flu, a tidal wave of Covid-19 cases has swept over a handful of cities in half the time. The concentration of quickly amassing serious infections overwhelmed the affected areas, and the fear is that without social distancing—for now the only effective intervention—other places will have a similar experience.

A snapshot of the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic shows the difference in the speed of transmission between a raging flu and the new coronavirus. Comparing only laboratory-confirmed cases, in the first 102 days of the H1N1 flu pandemic, the CDC reported 43,677 illnesses and 302 deaths. In 22 fewer days, Covid-19 infected nine times more people and killed 42 times as many.

“The flu season is spread out,” said William Schaffner, an infectious-disease specialist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville. “This is being jammed up in a short time frame.”

Covid-19 outbreaks have also been highly localized.

“You’ve got a hot-spot pattern instead of an even pattern,” said Emily Martin, an epidemiologist at the University of Michigan School of Public Health. “All the pressure is concentrated in small areas.”

New York, the state that has been hardest hit, surpassed 160,000 confirmed cases on Thursday, according to Johns Hopkins, accounting for about 37% of U.S. illnesses and 44% of deaths.

With too few beds and not enough staff to respond to the influx, the state resorted to converting hotels, a convention center and a tennis arena into temporary hospitals and called on retired doctors and nurses to return to work. This kind of onslaught doesn’t happen with the flu.

Other regions of the country are bracing for a similar deluge.

Last week, the University of Michigan Medical Center saw its number of Covid-19 inpatients climb to 166. In the coming week, it expects to have 300 to 350 coronavirus-positive patients in the hospital. The center, which has a total of 550 adult beds, typically admits 250 to 300 flu patients over the entire season.

“Usually, a hospital is a bunch of medical patients, surgery patients and cancer patients—it’s a mix,” said Adam Lauring, an associate professor of microbiology and immunology at the university. “We anticipate the hospital will be taken over by Covid-19 and medical patients.”

Not only are more Covid-19 patients coming into hospitals, they require longer care.

The median length of stay for adults hospitalized with seasonal flu is 3.6 days, according to research published in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases.

In nine Seattle-area hospitals, where 12 of 24 Covid-19 patients died through March 23, the median stay was 12 days in the hospital, 9 days in ICU and 10 days on mechanical ventilators. (The median for survivors was 17 days in the hospital, 14 in ICU and 11 on a ventilator.)

“Approximately 20% of Covid-19 patients have needed supplemental oxygen,” said Frederick G. Hayden, an infectious-disease expert at the University of Virginia. “Of those, about one-quarter go on to require intensive-care support for critical illness. Once they are on mechanical ventilation in the ICU, it’s often a protracted stay.”

Having a hospital full of highly contagious patients leads to diminished stores of equipment intended to protect staff members who are also at risk of infection.

The University of Michigan Medical Center now requires everyone to wear a mask. Additionally, anyone caring for patients who have or are suspected of having Covid-19 must wear a gown and eye protection.

During flu season, the center uses “droplet protection” only in some rooms, and there is no universal masking requirement.

“It’s a different world,” Dr. Lauring said.

Most people have some immunity to the flu, either from vaccines or previous exposure, and nearly all health-care workers are protected by the flu shot.

“It’s not unusual to have compliance rates above 95%,” Vanderbilt’s Dr. Schaffner said, referring to vaccinations of hospital employees. “That’s everybody—doctors, nurses, dietitians, people who clean at night—everybody.”

Currently, there is no vaccine or specific treatment for Covid-19, so slowing or stopping its spread has required social distancing.

But there is one quality that might make Covid-19 less problematic than flu.

“It’s not changing and mutating at the rate the flu can do,” said Allison Weinmann, an infectious-disease physician at Henry Ford Health System in Detroit.

That could make it easier for pharmaceutical companies to develop an effective vaccine—and render Covid-19 no more remarkable than the seasonal flu.
I’m pretty sure excerpting an entire article is not in compliance with the Fair Use doctrine, but since you are offering it as a public service, maybe News Corp will overlook it and choose not to get a court to shut down IMTBTrails for copyright infringement.:whistling::thumbsup:
 
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