Coronavirus. Not to be confused with Norcovirus.

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Danimal said:
My sister just had someone rent their big bear cabin for 2 months to get out of the city. Great idea if you can.

She's head of quality control at a hospital here in So Cal. They've put up isolation tents in the parking lot expecting more patients. The hospital is out of ventilators due ot this virus, and have some back up ventilators coming in.
Surprising enough about half the patients are young, contrary to some things I've read.
Her assessment is that if nothing changes they'll be completely overwhelmed in the next 10-14 days. This has gotten very real very fast.

Please stay safe and stay healthy.
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I've got one for rent in case anyone is interested!
https://www.bigbearcoolcabins.com/big-bear-cabin-rentals/alpine-oasis#.XnUdWohKiUk
 
BonsaiNut said:
LOL - who's fear-mongering? Aside from the fact that Amazon is doing this on their own - instead of being forced to do it - is anything I said untrue? Can you please share your source for your statement? Can you please help me understand who gets to make the call of what is "essential" to be able to live? Toilet paper hoarding? One more case of face masks that don't work to protect from a virus? A 40lb bag of rice that will go bad before anyone gets the chance to use it?

Give me a break.
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Yeah that's about the response I expected :facepalm:

Why don't you just get out of here now. I'm sure everything is fine in NC or wherever you're going and you'll be able to order everything your heart desires.
 
I look at it in two ways since we’re now committing economic suicide:

1. You keep the economy open and just accept the deaths. Let it run through the country.

2. Shut down everything and do a national lockdown with the military and national guard to stomp it out.

This half assed approach isn’t working. We’ve killed the economy.

My vote is for 1.
 
evdog said:
Yeah that's about the response I expected :facepalm:
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Yeah, and that's the response I expected from you. If you can't argue facts or logic... ad hominem attacks are the standard Internet go-to.

Just shut down the entire economy... because you FEEL it's the right thing to do.

I am seriously concerned about the long-term impact this is going to have on MILLIONS of people.
 
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I heard when Italy got to a critical point for the need of (not enough available) respirators they made the decision to let those with longer life in front of them get the attention and the elderly go to the back of the line, which is partly why the initial reports showed mostly elderly were succumbing to the virus. I'd guess the decision in this country to shut things down is to avoid the possibility of having to make the decision of who gets the respirators.
 
sir crashalot said:
So why do we not address the multitudes of people who die from POLLUTION worldwide every year, by forcing regulations on businesses to clean up their act? Or the US provide health care to everyone regardless of income, so people don’t die from lack of that? Because it might tank the economy!??
shouldn't we respond equally to all threats to health and life?
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I said to my wife last night, the organization, science and money being thrown at this... Imagine if we responded this way to clean energy, sustainability and climate.
 
Netflix stock up 10% over the last five days... while the DOW is down 8% over the same time frame. Nice little gap of 18% :)

Next stock tip: online gaming is red hot. Lot of online games are picking up subscribers like nuts. If you know the industry, there are some stocks you might consider buying.

Derkderkall said:
I said to my wife last night, the organization, science and money being thrown at this... Imagine if we responded this way to clean energy, sustainability and climate.
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When the dust settles, my back of the envelope estimate is that we may have spent over $100 million per fatality. I hope I am right... because that means the fatalities remain low - 10,000 or less - a fraction of a typical year's flu deaths. Right now we just crossed 200.
 
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Maderas84 said:
I look at it in two ways since we’re now committing economic suicide:

1. You keep the economy open and just accept the deaths. Let it run through the country.

2. Shut down everything and do a national lockdown with the military and national guard to stomp it out.

This half assed approach isn’t working. We’ve killed the economy.

My vote is for 1.
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Maderas84 said:
NO!!!!!!!!! :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::(:(:(:(
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Your response to #2 is invalidated by your response to#1....
 
BonsaiNut said:
When the dust settles, my back of the envelope estimate is that we may have spent over $100 million per fatality. I hope I am right... because that means the fatalities remain low - 10,000 or less - a fraction of a typical year's flu deaths. Right now we just crossed 200.
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The correct equation is cost per fatality avoided.

Cost per fatality is a reasonable metric when designing nuclear weapons, but not for epidemic responses.

you don’t have to believe the worst case 1.5 million deaths number, but it’s likely higher than 10,000.

If, at the end of all this, we’re complaining about the cost and not mourning loved ones, I’ll call it a win.

This is a lot like the Cold War, where we spent billions in the hope that nothing happened. Some people keep insisting that, because nothing happened, the threat was overblown, or it was all a waste.
 
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Maderas84 said:
I look at it in two ways since we’re now committing economic suicide:

1. You keep the economy open and just accept the deaths. Let it run through the country.

2. Shut down everything and do a national lockdown with the military and national guard to stomp it out.

This half assed approach isn’t working. We’ve killed the economy.

My vote is for 1.
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Yeah, I hope I still have my job when this finally shakes out, but I doubt it.

My understanding is viruses do not just "go away." Once enough people get exposed, the numbers tip in the other direction down to virtually none. If they lock us down for two weeks and then let everyone back out, it will just start again. I could be wrong, but that's what I gleaned from the virologist on the podcast posted earlier.
 
Obsidian said:
Yeah, I hope I still have my job when this finally shakes out, but I doubt it.

My understanding is viruses do not just "go away." Once enough people get exposed, the numbers tip in the other direction down to virtually none. If they lock us down for two weeks and then let everyone back out, it will just start again. I could be wrong, but that's what I gleaned from the virologist on the podcast posted earlier.
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If we can hold out long enough to get the medical equipment in place, we can avoid the Italy situation, where they have to give the ventilators to the 70 year olds, and let the 80 year olds drown internally.
 
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