Snow Sports and/or Surfing
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tick
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It also looks to line up with my Jones Frontier. Which I think means we’ve found the center of the old-dude snowboard market.
I don’t think snowboarding will go as gray as Cooks Corner, but we are on our way.
Holy cow those Harley guys are old.
tbarnesarc
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Yup! I concur about our similar tastes. Super jealous of you having their artwork adorning your home. I'd love to get some of their work as well as some Mike Parillo's at some point too. I also can relate to the purging of a sport at specific times in life. Been there done that.
I had never heard of Mark Carter prior to his episode airing and instantly became a fan. He seems like such an amazing human beyond the board. As for Rice, I went into the episode with a similar sentiment as yours. He's a legend but his candor can be a bit much especially with using big words in the wrong context. Ron Burgundy comes to mind for some reason. haha! He's been more restrained so far though and a quiet enjoyable episode thus far. Eddie Walls' episode is great! He's a freakin character. Some other notable episodes that aren't snowboarders per se are like Jeff Pensiero from Baldface lodge, Chad DiNenna from Nixon & Ken Block. They were all amazing in different ways.
tbarnesarc
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Sorry to be that guy but the Merc isn't actually traditional camber. The camber stops shy of the contact points and has rocker after that so it rides well in powder. Therefore some call it "cam rocker". Semantics I know but it doesn't feel like a traditional camber board. Maybe Ski camber profiles are different than snowboards though?
DangerDirtyD
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Snowboarders were the E-bikers of the slopes in the ‘80s.
buggravy
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Skiers are the roadies of the slopes today.
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herzalot
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Them's fightin' words, bucko! I challenge you to a slalom!
herzalot
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Like I said, I don't know Sh!t about F@ck!
buggravy
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Haha, sorry to ruffle feathers. And I'm sure you'd leave me for dead on your skis.
tick
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DangerDirtyD
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I would love to see the exchanges on slopes if those show up at the resorts!
herzalot
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tbarnesarc
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I obviously bust his balls too but you should see Chris ski though. He ain't bs'ing about his two planker skills because he rips. It's a thing of beauty. I also just threw up in my mouth a little bit after writing that...
tbarnesarc
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The Claw rides one of those but on steroids. It's like a snowmobile and a MX bike had a baby. Pretty nuts to see clips of.
buggravy
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Full disclosure: I grew up skiing. Mainly because my local resort didn’t allow snowboards at the time, so I was a skater who skied. By the time they allowed snowboarding I was proficient enough at skiing that I didn’t want to make the switch. Didn’t strap into a snowboard for the first time until my early thirties, and haven’t put on a pair of hard boots since.
herzalot
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I was addicted to skiing and raced from age 14 to age 39, including college. Taught myself to snowboard at the tender age of 43. I love it! So now I’m bi.
Much better on two planks than one though.
mtbMike
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Similar to me in that I grew up skiing but once so I made the switch at age 30, I never looked back. I actually avoided snowboarding on purpose because I didn’t want to be associated with the “grunge” they represented in the early days. However, I was hooked immediately after trying it. I taught numerous other skier friends, including my kids, and only one friend ever skied again.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again….there is NOTHING as sweet and satisfying as snowboarding on a powder day.
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buggravy
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This. Pure bliss.
tbarnesarc
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That's actually the era I come from but understandable
. What's funny is Bluebird wax has been making some classic stickers that relate to what you said. too hilarious not to share.
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tick
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Copper Mountain was allowing gravity-only snow bikes last year. It must appeal to Texans, though it actually looked harder/more consequential than just learning to ski or board.
Redman
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Reading the recent pages of this thread points out to me how disconnected from snowboarding I am. This season is the first time I've boarded in 15+ years. All my gear is around 20 years old, obviously outdated. $600 for a freaking jacket... FAK that!
I've seen some for over $800. Fortunately 95% of my gear is Burton, so most of it is still in great shape. My base layers, jacket, & pants are good to go. Gloves started falling apart, seams coming unstitched...bought new gloves. The soles of my boots fell apart (literally crumbling into pieces as I put them on) while setting up my board...bought new boots. The ladder straps on my bindings broke...bought new ones. The foam in my goggles was coming apart...bought new goggles. Freaking insane how expensive everything is now. I do not look forward to replacing my boards/bindings. Not just because of the costs, but also all the new tech. Both of my boards are Burton Customs from 2001(160.5) & 2002(156). They are both in great shape, just outdated technology. Are the newer boards of today that much better? I was looking at some last week at the LBS while buying new boots. NONE of them have camber the way my old boards do. My Customs only have camber and no rocker. It seemed like every board I looked at had no camber and only rocker. Do you any of you think upgrading to a modern board is warranted? I went up yesterday and slid around for a few hours. I didn't get the FAK YEAH! stoke I'm yearning for. Don't get me wrong, I had fun and def will go back. But, I wasn't pumped up about any of it. Will a newer board/bindings help? Or, maybe just keep riding what I have and as I gain confidence the stoke meter will rise as well?
I also changed up my stance. Brought the angle of both bindings in so I don't have such a duck stance. Before I was front = 35* & back = 15*. Now I am at 25* & 10*. And I pushed the stance more forward so that I only have an inch more nose than I do tail. My previous stance had about 2-1/2 more inches of nose than tail. This change definitely helped while riding switch. Especially switch toeside turns and going back to regular from switch turning heelside.
I've seen some for over $800. Fortunately 95% of my gear is Burton, so most of it is still in great shape. My base layers, jacket, & pants are good to go. Gloves started falling apart, seams coming unstitched...bought new gloves. The soles of my boots fell apart (literally crumbling into pieces as I put them on) while setting up my board...bought new boots. The ladder straps on my bindings broke...bought new ones. The foam in my goggles was coming apart...bought new goggles. Freaking insane how expensive everything is now. I do not look forward to replacing my boards/bindings. Not just because of the costs, but also all the new tech. Both of my boards are Burton Customs from 2001(160.5) & 2002(156). They are both in great shape, just outdated technology. Are the newer boards of today that much better? I was looking at some last week at the LBS while buying new boots. NONE of them have camber the way my old boards do. My Customs only have camber and no rocker. It seemed like every board I looked at had no camber and only rocker. Do you any of you think upgrading to a modern board is warranted? I went up yesterday and slid around for a few hours. I didn't get the FAK YEAH! stoke I'm yearning for. Don't get me wrong, I had fun and def will go back. But, I wasn't pumped up about any of it. Will a newer board/bindings help? Or, maybe just keep riding what I have and as I gain confidence the stoke meter will rise as well?I also changed up my stance. Brought the angle of both bindings in so I don't have such a duck stance. Before I was front = 35* & back = 15*. Now I am at 25* & 10*. And I pushed the stance more forward so that I only have an inch more nose than I do tail. My previous stance had about 2-1/2 more inches of nose than tail. This change definitely helped while riding switch. Especially switch toeside turns and going back to regular from switch turning heelside.
tick
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If you want to spend more, someone will be ready to help…Reading the recent pages of this thread points out to me how disconnected from snowboarding I am. This season is the first time I've boarded in 15+ years. All my gear is around 20 years old, obviously outdated. $600 for a freaking jacket... FAK that!
I also changed up my stance. Brought the angle of both bindings in so I don't have such a duck stance. Before I was front = 35* & back = 15*. Now I am at 25* & 10*. And I pushed the stance more forward so that I only have an inch more nose than I do tail. My previous stance had about 2-1/2 more inches of nose than tail. This change definitely helped while riding switch. Especially switch toeside turns and going back to regular from switch turning heelside.
I think a fresh setup that’s aimed at how you ride today really does help. I know the my old rig had way too much of a park orientation for me at this age. Don’t overlook the boots.
And given where you live, the split board might be an option. Just a different and potentially more laidback way to get outside. That’s really a totally different sport though, and you’ll be spending more. But the fashion police will be back at the base lodge drinking hot chocolate and not judging your outfit.
tbarnesarc
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I'd say it's a marginal return on your investment as someone who rode a lot from 1992-2004 and then got back into it again last season. Camber boards are still extremely prominent from most of the major brands like Burton, Jones, Nitro, K2 etc.. Lib tech even has a couple full camber boards these days I believe. Ironically, like you my last board when I stopped in 2004 was also a Burton Custom in a 156.5 but I hated that board so I can't really compare it to my current Capita Mercury which I love. The area where the equipment has progressed substantially are the boots and bindings in my opinion. My burton photon boots paired with my Union Atlas bindings are night day more comfortable than the gear I had in the past. I'd just get the boards tuned up, maybe get some structure added to their base and just shred. Maybe pick up some new bindings as well. Also, outwear can be expensive but look into Volcom's snow lone. I have 4 of their jackets that were all bought on sale and none over $200. Hope that info helps but also keep in mind I'm not the expert I was "back in the day."
Redman
iMTB Rockstah
If you want to spend more, someone will be ready to help…
I think a fresh setup that’s aimed at how you ride today really does help. I know the my old rig had way too much of a park orientation for me at this age. Don’t overlook the boots.
And given where you live, the split board might be an option. Just a different and potentially more laidback way to get outside. That’s really a totally different sport though, and you’ll be spending more. But the fashion police will be back at the base lodge drinking hot chocolate and not judging your outfit.
I have been giving split boarding some thought. However, it is right there with fat biking... a thought. And, like you said a totally different sport. My goal is to get my two boys riding as well. I'll have a lot better luck with that at a resort.
scottay
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My old board is a BurtonAir64, wood core. Considered Vintage on eBay! After 10 years off, I rented all new stuff. Went 10cm shorter on the board, but it still seemed hard to get the ass end around to turn.
I think speed/steepness would have helped that. And better core fitness also.
Point being, I didnt think the new board tech was a revelation.
But my old tie-up boots suck in comparison to the new boots.
And the new binding buckles were real flexie so I could slap them off real easy.
No stomp pad, no leash. Is that the way to roll?
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My old board is a BurtonAir64, wood core. Considered Vintage on eBay! After 10 years off, I rented all new stuff. Went 10cm shorter on the board, but it still seemed hard to get the ass end around to turn.
I think speed/steepness would have helped that. And better core fitness also.
Point being, I didnt think the new board tech was a revelation.
But my old tie-up boots suck in comparison to the new boots.
And the new binding buckles were real flexie so I could slap them off real easy.
No stomp pad, no leash. Is that the way to roll?
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Redman
iMTB Rockstah
Similar background... rode a ton from 90ish to 2005ish. Then abandoned the sport until now. Got some new Nitrro Vagabond boots paired to some old Burton CFX bindings. The bases on both boards are solid, little use back in the day. And, both recently got a fresh wax and edge clean up. Right now I'm thinking get through this season with what I have. IF I'm stoked on it enough to buy another pass for next season, then I'll look into updating. And, IF and when it's time I'll defintitely be shopping for sale items!!!!!
buggravy
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Hard to tell without seeing the board, but moving the stance that far forward could actually have you forward of center on the sidecut, even if you are aft of center tip to tail. Forward on the sidecut could definitely feel wonky, but switch would feel better. Your stance is also pretty old school (deep double positive angles). For reference I'm +15 front, and -9 rear. There is somewhat of a movement back to the double positive, narrow stance, in the freeride crowd, but I'm of the mindset that some kind of duck stance is better, especially if you spend time riding or landing switch. I feel like you could only benefit from new gear. I'm not spending your money, but gear has definitely come a long way. I say go for the new new.Reading the recent pages of this thread points out to me how disconnected from snowboarding I am. This season is the first time I've boarded in 15+ years. All my gear is around 20 years old, obviously outdated. $600 for a freaking jacket... FAK that!
I also changed up my stance. Brought the angle of both bindings in so I don't have such a duck stance. Before I was front = 35* & back = 15*. Now I am at 25* & 10*. And I pushed the stance more forward so that I only have an inch more nose than I do tail. My previous stance had about 2-1/2 more inches of nose than tail. This change definitely helped while riding switch. Especially switch toeside turns and going back to regular from switch turning heelside.
tick
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That sounds like your stance was too far back.
Rocker is a big deal for beginners, kids and park rats, as a key benefit is making the board less likely to catch an edge. They’re also easier to initiate a turn.
The all-mountain boards we’re all raving about here have hybrid shapes and a medium-to-stiff flex. Combine it with a medium to stiff boot and the results ought to be about as easy to turn as an older board, but you’ll track better through crud and hold your edge better on chattery ice. At least that’s what I’ve experienced.
Leashes are still a legal requirement in Colorado, never had anyone check mine though. I got a clear stomp pad-didn’t want to obscure the graphics.
tick
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Counterpoint-do what your knees let you do…my biomechanics want my back foot at +5…
Redman
iMTB Rockstah
Correction. I am not double positive angles. The back is at negative, sorry for the misinformation.
I'm having to relearn the lingo.