One More eBike Debate

Mikie said:
Okay, now wait a minute...:)
Now you know I ain’t picking on you Dan-O...

But that brings up a point.
We have had good threads and not so good threads. I don’t like the not so good threads just as much as anyone else. But pretty confident we have had WAYYYY more good threads than bad.

But there are a lot more good options here than one thread going astray or having tough or heated debate. One can always choose to not engage or even click on the thread.

I agree we have had our share of tough threads lately, but c’ mon, for the most part this typically is a happy place.

Since when are we going to start censoring what anyone says. I mean, sometimes heated debates happen. I would prefer it to be an intelligent unemotional discussion. And I only mean unemotional in relation to name calling, I guess that would mean all caps and lots of exclamation points...;)

Once again as some recall we are arguing over eBikes for the most part. And what did we have to end up doing the last time we had the eBike wars? That’s right, we banned the discussions.

Do what I do all. When you want or got to have a tough conversation with someone here on imtbtrails... PM them!

It’s not all going to be rainbows and unicorns here (that’s your cue @doublewide )
and there will be more tough discussions in the future as well.

But I really think it’s time to get back to serious imtbusiness!

So can we let this fashizzle go for a while and go ride our bikes?
And focus on important thinks like Taco Tuesday, the Derailed Thread, life behind bars, you know... the important stuff! o_O:rolleyes:
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Well hey Mikie, just got back from riding Boy Scout (not a Boy Scout) (not that there is anything wrong with that) and I’m feeling cleansed of all negative fashizzle! Hah!
 
Ok u all... we r all mtbkers..nothing bothers us bc all we have to do is go for a ride .. and poof everthing is good
My dog got eaten by a coyote
Ride. poof all better
Involved in a murder trial for the last week..
Ride. poof all better
Got passed by an ebike..choke on dust..
Haha im riding! Poof.. all better!
 
Mikie said:
Okay, now wait a minute...:)
Now you know I ain’t picking on you Dan-O...

But that brings up a point.
We have had good threads and not so good threads. I don’t like the not so good threads just as much as anyone else. But pretty confident we have had WAYYYY more good threads than bad.

But there are a lot more good options here than one thread going astray or having a tough or heated debate. One can always choose to not engage or even click on the thread.

I agree we have had our share of tough threads lately, but c’ mon, for the most part this typically is a happy place.

Since when are we going to start censoring what anyone says. I mean, sometimes heated debates happen. I would prefer it to be an intelligent unemotional discussion. And I only mean unemotional in relation to name calling, I guess yelling would mean all caps and lots of exclamation points...;)

Once again as some recall we are arguing over eBikes for the most part. And what did we have to end up doing the last time we had the eBike wars? That’s right, we banned the discussions.

Do what I do all. When you want or got to have a tough conversation with someone here on imtbtrails... PM them!

It’s not all going to be rainbows and unicorns here (that’s your cue @doublewide )
and there will be more tough discussions in the future as well.

But I really think it’s time to get back to serious imtbusiness!

So can we let this fashizzle go for a while and go ride our bikes?
And focus on important things like Taco Tuesday, the Derailed Thread, life behind bars, you know... the important stuff! o_O:rolleyes:
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Hey @Mikie you are correct. Life's been challenging lately and I love this place. it's kinda my get away from life's BS.

F'it, I'll go ride the my bike and POOF all will be good with the imtb world.
 
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Mikie said:
Love. Grace.
I personally fail in it every day.
It's something this world is losing. It's slipping away.
I do my damnest to moderate this site with Love and Grace.
I think because of my conviction to love and grace, we have a pretty good site.

Lately, I have been struggling, as it seems, for whatever reason, there has been a lot of tension through a series of subjects. There have been people leaving, behind the scenes. There have been people leaving in a blaze of gunfire.
I can see why moderators burn out.

When I first started this site @mtnbikej was one of the early adopters. Like a jackwad I was bagging on the owner of that other now defunked site. Talked about him letting people down, and how he was being so, irresponsible.

Jay responded, and it rings in my head every day, "Let's see how well you are doing after 10 years".

Apparently that really sunk in as I remember it like it was yesterday.

Thank you for weighing in on this @Mikie .

I clicked out of @Ebruner 's post very quickly. I wanted to be respectful of my fellow IMTB'r and not

A guy shares a great story that moved me, and moved a bunch of us. Every important element was in it. Apprehension before, during, and after, even debated posting it. But his excitement was so that he wanted to share it with his family. Us... We raise him up as a hero son. Then it slowly migrates to divisive Sh!t talk. Where is the love for our fellow imtbro? Why did he have to begin to have to defend himself? We ALL know the act in black and white was outside the grey. Where is the grace? Especially when he is sharing a part of his life... with his Father. With us.

I go out last Monday and I hop 7 illegal gates and trespass on other peoples property and I am raised up as the comeback kid. I broke the law. Thanks for the love! I mean that, but...

Another person here admitted they ride illegal trails and no one says a word.

Humans are THE ONLY creature that rationalizes. If we all lived in an objective world, you would not have to lock your doors at night, but because we live in a "Subjective" world there are those that have no problem breaking into your house, or killing us.

Love and Grace. For each other. Let's use it.
If I'm failing at my own rules, call me out on it. I will apologize, I'm the last to be perfect. The very last.

Carry on.
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@Mikie Thank you for this post. I did click into @Ebruner 's post about his dad's ride earlier this week. It was new, and I chose not to voice my opinion. I never went back to see what others posted.

My view on E-bikes remains unchanged. When I ride I see incredible things, I experience things that my wife, my son, my mom and dad will never experience because they are simply not fit to make that journey. Do I wish that I could share what I experience with those that I love most? YES.

As I have said before, We don't all get to have the same experiences.

That would be UNAMERICAN-Right? You work to get what you want. You work to get where you want.

E-MTBikes are the MTB equivalent of welfare. E-MTBikes are the MTB equivalent of a "bailout". E-MTBikes are a statement of "Thank you for the infrastructure, thank you for the blood, sweat, and tears, but, I'm going to do whatever I want like a f@cking child. And......F@ck YOU!!!"

If you love this whole E-thing, come to LA and ride a f@cking E-scooter. They are everywhere. Go-To-Town.
 
konakc said:
Ok u all... we r all mtbkers..nothing bothers us bc all we have to do is go for a ride .. and poof everthing is good
My dog got eaten by a coyote
Ride. poof all better
Involved in a murder trial for the last week..
Ride. poof all better
Got passed by an ebike..choke on dust..
Haha im riding! Poof.. all better!
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Ya know?
I really like this post!:)
I’m real sorry about your doggy though...:(
 
Electric mountain bikes have garnered a lot of attention for their ability to help riders go higher, further, and faster on the trail. As a result, there have been some impressive new eMTB models to hit the market in recent years, making it easier than ever to head off-road. Our favorite is the Haibike SDURO HardNine, which comes equipped with a 350-watt Bosch Performance CX drive and a 500 watt-hour battery. This gives it a range of up to 70 miles, along with a top speed of 20 mph, which is plenty fast on singletrack.

Bosch continues to push off-road use for e-bikes - DESPITE their official stance.
 
Resistance is futile? A road-ish model: 12 mph w/o pedaling; up to 22 mph going up one of Palo Alto's supposedly toughest climbs..

"For our visit, Specialized outfitted us with the Turbo Vado 5.0, a bike boasting a 350-watt motor, 604-watt-hour lithium-ion battery, and the capability to go up to 80 miles on a single charge."

"With the highest pedal-assist mode (dubbed, unsurprisingly, Turbo), a pump or two was all that was needed before the bike’s motor kicked in, sending us blazing at around 12 miles per hour down the road."

"Then we arrived at one of the city’s steeper hills, a street avid cyclers view as one of the toughest climbs to conquer in the city. Unsurprisingly, the Vado handled it with utter ease as we were able to keep the bike moving along at around 20 to 22 miles per hour for nearly the entire climb. Granted, we also pushed ourselves to the limit, cruising through the ride at a low enough gear to keep the bike moving and breaking a solid sweat in the process. After climbing for roughly two miles, the group slowed down to catch their breath and marvel at the Vado’s ability."

https://www.digitaltrends.com/outdoors/specialized-turbo-vado-first-take/
 
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While I was waiting in the jury room all day in downtown, I was seeing this bike go by every so often. It could have been a courier for the courts. It was a cool looking rig.

https://igoelectric.com/products/igo-fat-folding-electric-fat-bike

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Racer X said:
While I was waiting in the jury room all day in downtown, I was seeing this bike go by every so often. It could have been a courier for the courts. It was a cool looking rig.

https://igoelectric.com/products/igo-fat-folding-electric-fat-bike

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A buddy of mine (guy that was selling the Ti Vaya) bought one of these for the family. Kids uses it to go to high school, parents use it for errands, pack it up and take it with them on camping trips. They love it!
 
levity said:
It likely will, and you probably should... just be prepared to buy two
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Back in the day, my wife (a figure skater) used to roller blade next to me while I would run along Lake Michigan in Chicago. We used to road bike on some of the bike paths north of the city.

California is too hilly for her. She doesn't enjoy it :) She doesn't enjoy that the hills are the reason I enjoy it :)
 
tick said:
You are fooling yourself or worse. Ebikes are ridden in Crystal Cove, to be sure. But they are explicitly not allowed.

http://www.crystalcovestatepark.org/rules/
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Thanks for the heads-up and link, tick. I called the Ranger office to inquire a couple of months ago. They weren’t sure, but the Super called me back and said Class I ebikes we’re ok. We’re on the road to Utah today, but I’ll check again when we return next month.
 
levity said:
Thanks for the heads-up and link, tick. I called the Ranger office to inquire a couple of months ago. They weren’t sure, but the Super called me back and said Class I ebikes we’re ok. We’re on the road to Utah today, but I’ll check again when we return next month.
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Effective July 17, 2018, Class I and Class II e-bikes are not allowed on anything other than paved bike trails that explicitly allow them. Class III e-bikes are not even allowed there. Otherwise all e-bikes must stay on surface streets.

Orange County Codified Ordinances prohibit the use of motorized conveyances in County parks and recreation areas. This includes the use of all types of e-bikes and e-mountain bikes in regional and wilderness parks.

A July 17, 2018 revision to OCCO 2-5-29(n) makes the following exception for some regional bikeways: “Class 1 and Class 2 electric bicycles, as defined by the California Vehicle Code, on those regional paved, off-road bikeways designated for such use by the Director of OC Parks.”

Currently, this means that Class 1 and 2 electric bicycles are only permitted on the following County bikeways: Coyote Creek, Santa Ana River Trail, Bay View, San Diego Creek, Peters Canyon, Hicks Canyon, Aliso Creek, Salt Creek Trail and San Juan Creek bikeways.

Visitors riding e-bikes in other County park facilities or trails are subject to citation.

Here is the Official LINK.
 
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BonsaiNut said:
Effective July 17, 2018, Class I and Class II e-bikes are not allowed on anything other than paved bike trails that explicitly allow them. Class III e-bikes are not even allowed there. Otherwise all e-bikes must stay on surface streets.

Orange County Codified Ordinances prohibit the use of motorized conveyances in County parks and recreation areas. This includes the use of all types of e-bikes and e-mountain bikes in regional and wilderness parks.

A July 17, 2018 revision to OCCO 2-5-29(n) makes the following exception for some regional bikeways: “Class 1 and Class 2 electric bicycles, as defined by the California Vehicle Code, on those regional paved, off-road bikeways designated for such use by the Director of OC Parks.”

Currently, this means that Class 1 and 2 electric bicycles are only permitted on the following County bikeways: Coyote Creek, Santa Ana River Trail, Bay View, San Diego Creek, Peters Canyon, Hicks Canyon, Aliso Creek, Salt Creek Trail and San Juan Creek bikeways.

Visitors riding e-bikes in other County park facilities or trails are subject to citation.

Here is the Official LINK.
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I don’t know these trails..is this a good thing for us non ebikers?
 
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