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In other news... I can see someone left open the window of a truck. No blue tarp, no cardboard, no duct tape. Snow drift on the front seat by noon. :sleep::bang::cool:


Update: The wind is blowing in exactly the correct direction for maximum accumulation in the vehicle.
 
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mike said:
In other news... I can see someone left open the window of a truck. No blue tarp, no cardboard, no duct tape. Snow drift on the front seat by noon. :sleep::bang::cool:


Update: The wind is blowing in exactly the correct direction for maximum accumulation in the vehicle.
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Update: At dusk guy seen duct taping what looks like saran wrap over window opening. Perfect compliment to camper shell 2' longer than truck bed, held down with Home Depot tie-down straps. Crisis averted! :D
 
People suck. They just do. What possible reason could there be for doing this??? And they try to blame it on the government "shutdown." BS. Put the blame where it belongs - on the uncivilized human detritus that can't be bothered to leave no trace. F**ktards.



https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation...verflowing-toilets-during-government-shutdown

WASHINGTON — Human feces, overflowing garbage, illegal off-roading and other damaging behavior in fragile areas were beginning to overwhelm some of the West’s iconic national parks on Monday, as a partial government shutdown left the areas open to visitors but with little staff on duty.

“It’s a free-for-all,” Dakota Snider, 24, who lives and works in Yosemite Valley, said by telephone Monday, as Yosemite National Park officials announced closings of some minimally supervised campgrounds and public areas within the park that are overwhelmed.

“It’s so heartbreaking. There is more trash and human waste and disregard for the rules then I’ve seen in my four years living here,” Snider said.

National Park Service spokesman Jeremy Barnum had said as the shutdown took hold that “national parks will remain as accessible as possible while still following all applicable laws and procedures.”

In practice, that meant on Monday that many park toilets were closed or filled to overflowing, despite holiday crowds.

Campers at Joshua Tree National Park in Southern California’s deserts were reporting squabbles as different families laid claims to sites, with no rangers on hand to adjudicate, said Ethan Feltges, who operates the Coyote Corner gift shop outside Joshua Tree.

Feltges and other business owners around Joshua Tree had stepped into the gap as much as possible, hauling trailers into the park to empty overflowing trash bins and sweeping and stocking restrooms that were still open, Feltges said.

Feltges himself had set up a portable toilet at his store to help the visitors still streaming in and out of the park. He was spending his days standing outside his store, offering tips about the park in place of the rangers who normally would be present.

“The whole community has come together,” Feltges said, also by phone. “Everyone loves the park. And there’s a lot of businesses that actually need the park.”

Some visitors have strung Christmas lights in the twisting Joshua trees, many of which are hundreds of years old, the Los Angeles Times reported.

Some are seizing on the shortage of park staffers to off-road illegally and otherwise damage the park.
Most visitors were being respectful of the desert wilderness and park facilities, Joshua Tree’s superintendent, David Smith, said in a statement.

But some are seizing on the shortage of park staffers to off-road illegally and otherwise damage the park, as well as relieving themselves in the open, a park statement said. Joshua Tree said it would begin closing some campgrounds for all but day use.

At Yosemite, Snider, the local resident, said crowds of visitors were driving into the park to take advantage of free admission, with only a few park rangers working and a limited number of restrooms open.

Visitors were allowing their dogs to run off-leash in an area rich with bears and other wildlife, and scattering bags of garbage along the roads, Snider said.

“You’re looking at Yosemite Falls and in front of you is plastic bottles and trash bags,” he said.
 
Runs with Scissors said:
People suck. They just do. What possible reason could there be for doing this??? And they try to blame it on the government "shutdown." BS. Put the blame where it belongs - on the uncivilized human detritus that can't be bothered to leave no trace. F**ktards.



https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation...verflowing-toilets-during-government-shutdown

WASHINGTON — Human feces, overflowing garbage, illegal off-roading and other damaging behavior in fragile areas were beginning to overwhelm some of the West’s iconic national parks on Monday, as a partial government shutdown left the areas open to visitors but with little staff on duty.

“It’s a free-for-all,” Dakota Snider, 24, who lives and works in Yosemite Valley, said by telephone Monday, as Yosemite National Park officials announced closings of some minimally supervised campgrounds and public areas within the park that are overwhelmed.

“It’s so heartbreaking. There is more trash and human waste and disregard for the rules then I’ve seen in my four years living here,” Snider said.

National Park Service spokesman Jeremy Barnum had said as the shutdown took hold that “national parks will remain as accessible as possible while still following all applicable laws and procedures.”

In practice, that meant on Monday that many park toilets were closed or filled to overflowing, despite holiday crowds.

Campers at Joshua Tree National Park in Southern California’s deserts were reporting squabbles as different families laid claims to sites, with no rangers on hand to adjudicate, said Ethan Feltges, who operates the Coyote Corner gift shop outside Joshua Tree.

Feltges and other business owners around Joshua Tree had stepped into the gap as much as possible, hauling trailers into the park to empty overflowing trash bins and sweeping and stocking restrooms that were still open, Feltges said.

Feltges himself had set up a portable toilet at his store to help the visitors still streaming in and out of the park. He was spending his days standing outside his store, offering tips about the park in place of the rangers who normally would be present.

“The whole community has come together,” Feltges said, also by phone. “Everyone loves the park. And there’s a lot of businesses that actually need the park.”

Some visitors have strung Christmas lights in the twisting Joshua trees, many of which are hundreds of years old, the Los Angeles Times reported.

Some are seizing on the shortage of park staffers to off-road illegally and otherwise damage the park.
Most visitors were being respectful of the desert wilderness and park facilities, Joshua Tree’s superintendent, David Smith, said in a statement.

But some are seizing on the shortage of park staffers to off-road illegally and otherwise damage the park, as well as relieving themselves in the open, a park statement said. Joshua Tree said it would begin closing some campgrounds for all but day use.

At Yosemite, Snider, the local resident, said crowds of visitors were driving into the park to take advantage of free admission, with only a few park rangers working and a limited number of restrooms open.

Visitors were allowing their dogs to run off-leash in an area rich with bears and other wildlife, and scattering bags of garbage along the roads, Snider said.

“You’re looking at Yosemite Falls and in front of you is plastic bottles and trash bags,” he said.
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Yep, heard about this on the news radio station while I was driving today. All campgrounds at JTNP will be closed at noon tomorrow because of this mess.
 
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Runs with Scissors said:
How many libertarians do you think are doing that?

Hint: You're wrong. :Roflmao
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Have to disagree. What you see is what happens with no government, which is what libertarians pine for. It's the logical conclusion of their world view. Except there would be no park, it would be sold off to an uranium mine corporation with a casino built on top of it.
The parks are perfect examples of how a world without government doesn't revert to Little House on the Prairie, but instead Biff-verse.

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Cyclotourist said:
Have to disagree. What you see is what happens with no government, which is what libertarians pine for. It's the logical conclusion of their world view. Except there would be no park, it would be sold off to an uranium mine corporation with a casino built on top of it.
The parks are perfect examples of how a world without government doesn't revert to Little House on the Prairie, but instead Biff-verse.

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You have a misunderstanding of what it actually means...like most. But I will not pursue it here.
 
Cyclotourist said:
I wondered that as well. Maybe they were trying to be nice, figuring people would like to go an experience them and be half-way decent.
They called that wrong...
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I assume yes, David.

Park managers left the places open to be ravaged. They didn't see free admission at a presently-overrun NP near a metro area as a potential issue? I'm just not grasping the justification to leave them open, like, eh whatever, no staff or services. JTNP? This time of year?

Goes without saying that a contingent of visitors will exploit lack of oversight. Lock the gates and 99% of them won't enter.


Edit: No gate to close? You need to get out more, RWS. Any road can be closed.
 
mike said:
I assume yes, David.

Park managers left the places open to be ravaged. They didn't see free admission at a presently-overrun NP near a metro area as a potential issue? I'm just not grasping the justification to leave them open, like, eh whatever, no staff or services. JTNP? This time of year?

Goes without saying that a contingent of visitors will exploit lack of oversight. Lock the gates and 99% of them won't enter.


Edit: No gate to close? You need to get out more, RWS. Any road can be closed.
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I've been to a bunch of western national parks. Haven't seen a gate across the entrance road on any of them. They can be signed as closed, but without enforcement the rabble will ignore as they're doing now. Goes back to my original statement that people suck.

Zion's entrance is the continuance of UT-9. Can't exactly close that anyway. Many national parks are the same.
 
Runs with Scissors said:
I've been to a bunch of western national parks. Haven't seen a gate across the entrance road on any of them. They can be signed as closed, but without enforcement the rabble will ignore as they're doing now. Goes back to my original statement that people suck.

Zion's entrance is the continuance of UT-9. Can't exactly close that anyway. Many national parks are the same.
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Again, any road can be closed. It doesn't take a gate. Any fed land can be closed to vehicles. You have to pass a gated ranger kiosk to enter YNP. How do they close the parks when they do close, which YNP has numerous times in the last two decades? Just how they should have done it this time.

Sure, people suck. Especially around places like LA. Why keep stating the obvious?
 
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