E-motorcycle Collision San Clemente

mike said:
Still operating in self-interest mode.

It makes perfect sense this would happen in the nation’s epicenter of entitlement and convenience. The more time you spend elsewhere, the more you realize what a shitty place to live and recreate that SoCal is. Good luck.
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As a 56-year resident of SoCal I have to agree. OMMV. More power, etc.

Although I gotta add there is no place with more self-righteous a$$hats than in the Bay Area. Been there, seen that, burned the T-shirt.
 
Geez, negativity is strong here. After living in New England for several years I can say that people there were way bigger dix than anyone I’ve come across here. Talk about negative attitudes, it was depressing just being around them. When my parents lived in Vegas I had a little glimpse into that life and that was way more stale and impersonal than anything I’ve seen here.

I guess some people just have life figured out and whatever anyone else does that isn’t aligned with that is a bust. What does seem to be a constant is the hardcore disdain for So Cal and that must run deep within them.
 
Cornholio said:
Geez, negativity is strong here. After living in New England for several years I can say that people there were way bigger dix than anyone I’ve come across here. Talk about negative attitudes, it was depressing just being around them. When my parents lived in Vegas I had a little glimpse into that life and that was way more stale and impersonal than anything I’ve seen here.

I guess some people just have life figured out and whatever anyone else does that isn’t aligned with that is a bust. What does seem to be a constant is the hardcore disdain for So Cal and that must run deep within them.
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Or, some people have specific expectations of civilized society and we don't see it happening, on the macro level, here in the southern sector of California. And we've been other places that we perceive, rightly or wrongly, as better. So we choose to state what we've seen, with the caveat that N=1, and act on it.

My experience over decades is that QOL in SoCal has degraded. AQI has vastly improved, though you'd never know that without context. But AQI < QOL. So I'll be relocating at the first opportunity. I'm not going to screw myself in the process. The time will come when it comes.

But SoCal, and California in general, still sucks. Based on my metrics.:cool:
 
Runs with Scissors said:
Or, some people have specific expectations of civilized society and we don't see it happening, on the macro level, here in the southern sector of California. And we've been other places that we perceive, rightly or wrongly, as better. So we choose to state what we've seen, with the caveat that N=1, and act on it.

My experience over decades is that QOL in SoCal has degraded. AQI has vastly improved, though you'd never know that without context. But AQI < QOL. So I'll be relocating at the first opportunity. I'm not going to screw myself in the process. The time will come when it comes.

But SoCal, and California in general, still sucks. Based on my metrics.:cool:
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Coming from the “Aliso sucks but I’ll never try it to find out” guy. :Roflmao

If it sucks for you, leave. Simple.

I’ve got a good life here and enjoy it along with many friends that I grew up with. Life’s good and I’m sorry that you are waiting for the opportunity to be happy. That must suck being unhappy and feeling stuck here.. good luck finding happiness!
 
Cornholio said:
Coming from the “Aliso sucks but I’ll never try it to find out” guy. :Roflmao

If it sucks for you, leave. Simple.

I’ve got a good life here and enjoy it along with many friends that I grew up with. Life’s good and I’m sorry that you are waiting for the opportunity to be happy. That must suck being unhappy and feeling stuck here.. good luck finding happiness!
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I'd expound, but I'm pretty sure it would go right over your head. It's good that you're good with it. Really. I'm not being facetious. It works for you, great.
 
Classic thread.

Goes from one world class DB to complete indictment of entire Southern California.

That guy would have been a DB... is a Total DB no matter where he lived .... nothing to do with SoCal.

Ef it I'll triple down

I love SoCal You can find good and bad anywhere and one person's polite and well-behaved society may not be another's.

I haven't worn long pants in 20 months and I'm loving it... Seriously.

I live a mile from the beach I work for a world-class company.

I worked hard to get there.

Might I retire somewhere else or split my time between beach and mountains yeah perhaps.

Do I like to travel and visit other areas absolutely.

But it always feels good to me when I come home.

Oh back on topic....I hope that guy gets what's coming to him....
 
I don't hate So Cal. There - I said it out loud.

I can surf, snowboard, ski and mt. bike all within 90 mins. of my house and all in the same day if I choose to. And I know how to do it without crowds or traffic. On a weekend.

I have a great job with awesome peeps, and I am paid an acceptable rate for it. I live in a beautiful setting that most of the world's population would spend hard-earned vacation dollars to visit for a weekend. When I travel, people I meet yearn to travel to where I live. Contrary to what seems to be the commonly accepted folklore 'round here, i don't feel that my freedom is unduly restricted or taxed. Well, the gas tax is a bit much - but my commute and my vehicle are my choice so...

I have been fortunate to live in other amazing places (Durango, CO, among others). There is more entitlement, attitude, narcissism, superficiality and blatant selfish stupidity here, in my opinion. But CO has changed in the last 20 years too, and I am guessing, not for the better. It's a sign of the times more than a location.

Oh and the entitled asshat on the motorcycle should be drawn and quartered.
 
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herzalot said:
I don't hate So Cal. There - I said it out loud.

I can surf, snowboard, ski and mt. bike all within 90 mins. of my house and all in the same day if I choose to. And I know how to do it without crowds or traffic. On a weekend.

I have a great job with awesome peeps, and I am paid an acceptable rate for it. I live in a beautiful setting that most of the world's population would spend hard-earned vacation dollars to visit for a weekend. When I travel, people I meet yearn to travel to where I live. Contrary to what seems to be the commonly accepted folklore 'round here, i don't feel that my freedom is unduly restricted or taxed. Well, the gas tax is a bit much - but my commute and my vehicle is my choice so...

I have been fortunate to live in other amazing places (Durango, CO, among others). There is more entitlement, attitude, narcissism, superficiality and blatant selfish stupidity here, in my opinion. But CO has changed in the last 20 years too, and I am guessing, not for the better. It's a sign of the times more than a location.

Oh and the entitled asshat on the motorcycle should be drawn and quartered.
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:laugh::Roflmao
 
The problem with California is that it's got everything:
*most consistent/mild weather
*surf and snow just a few miles apart
*deserts/mountains/sea
*tremendous employment opportunities

The weather... Minimal rain/snow. Mild temps that really do allow you to wear shorts and tee shirt year round (I do). This is the biggest attraction of all.
Things to do... You can surf in the morning and ski in the afternoon on the same day and the things to do between here and there are endless.
Terrain... Beautiful coastline, gorgeous mountain ranges, wonderful deserts.
Jobs... This is the place to be for employment. You can do anything you want here if you work toward it.

All of these things lead to one major downfall, over population. Too many people to keep track of. Too many cars clogging the roadways. Too much competition for anything and everything. Long lines most anywhere you go. These are the things that bother me about California. I can live with the high taxes and high cost of living. The fair weather and unlimited availability of things to do make these things worth it to me. But the crowds are a deal breaker. While I am not in a position to do anything about it at this time but I'd leave this state (or at least the big city portion) if I could.

In closing I love California and I hate it, too.
 
herzalot said:
I don't hate So Cal. There - I said it out loud.

I can surf, snowboard, ski and mt. bike all within 90 mins. of my house and all in the same day if I choose to. And I know how to do it without crowds or traffic. On a weekend.

I have a great job with awesome peeps, and I am paid an acceptable rate for it. I live in a beautiful setting that most of the world's population would spend hard-earned vacation dollars to visit for a weekend. When I travel, people I meet yearn to travel to where I live. Contrary to what seems to be the commonly accepted folklore 'round here, i don't feel that my freedom is unduly restricted or taxed. Well, the gas tax is a bit much - but my commute and my vehicle is my choice so...

I have been fortunate to live in other amazing places (Durango, CO, among others). There is more entitlement, attitude, narcissism, superficiality and blatant selfish stupidity here, in my opinion. But CO has changed in the last 20 years too, and I am guessing, not for the better. It's a sign of the times more than a location.

Oh and the entitled asshat on the motorcycle should be drawn and quartered.
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Back in the day with my buddies we went dirt bike riding all day out in the desert and then drove to Big Bear on the way home and went snow skiing. The looks we got pulling into Snow Summit parking lot with dirt bikes in tow. 1971 Brown Ford Country Squire Station Wagon pulling a dirt bike trailer with Suzuki's on it. Haha! I think I was 21 or 22 years old at the time.
As I recall we skied down the slopes in our dirt bike leathers.-:Roflmao
 
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SnakeCharmer said:
My out of state friends commonly joke about what a joke the state of California is.
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I go through this, as both of our families are on the east coast. They see the craziest of the crazy on the TV... And think all Californians are in the streets protesting restaurant straws and smoking pot. :laugh:

They never see Idlehour Trail. And they can't fathom that CA has more open space and park land than the rest of the lower 48 combined...
 
Mikie said:
On Pinkbike 8 Minutes ago: Gino Fortiani of Shoreline Plumbing is the Surron rider. Is it wrong to post it here?
(There is no guarantee this is the correct name or business.)
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I was just catching up on the comments on the Pinkbike thread. And, the comment that stated his name along with the next comment about his plumbing company disappeared while I was reading it. Pinkbike removed the two comments.

Oh, it wasn't very difficult to find the guy's home and business address's.
 
One summer day, I went down Lizard, Camarrillo, saw a red tipped vulture floating by on Willow, now Repo, back up and Emeralded... thought about Marie,, had an icy cold michelada at the grassy knoll.. then when all my buddies drove off, I went down to Shaws cove, put on my gear, and ran into the ocean. My calf's cramped up in the not so cold water but I managed to swim past the point, and got greeted by a big eyed harbor seal.
I love it here. Can't wait to hit the post rain dirt.
 
I can ride my horse right in the middle of this mass of population, and I see other people do it on occasion to. Take a ride down the San Gabriel River Trail to the beach and you will pass through all kinds of neighborhoods, including neighborhoods in what most people deem "LA" and you will see people riding horses. Here I am, riding my bicycle in perfect weather, on a bike path, past horses in a river, heading to the beach to enjoy some tacos.

There are a lot of assholes out there. The percentage, I would argue, is probably the same, we just have more numbers. Take the good with the bad.

As I recall, someone recently just ran over and killed some people on bicycles because he wanted to scare them, in Texas. Of course, that is where tons of people are moving to because they don't like California and the "oppression". Speaking of California "oppressions, few guys murdered someone for running though their neighborhood, while being black. So, yeah, the "California sucks" argument falls short on me.

The real issue is with the population is the anonymity. When people feel anonymous, they try to get away with stuff. That happens in large populations, or places like in your car or on the internet. One reason I have been using my real name more online.
 
Stkx66 said:
Back in the day with my buddies we went dirt bike riding all day out in the desert and then drove to Big Bear on the way home and went snow skiing. The looks we got pulling into Snow Summit parking lot with dirt bikes in tow. 1971 Brown Ford Country Squire Station Wagon pulling a dirt bike trailer with Suzuki's on it. Haha! I think I was 21 or 22 years old at the time.
As I recall we skied down the slopes in our dirt bike leathers.-:Roflmao
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You said (leathers) you must be a fogey also. I'm not trying to out-do you but your post is gold and brought back memories. My buddy Rosy< a Male, and I did a 9:00 a.m. Jackrabbits M.C. European scrambles. then Mtn-High, then Devils punchbowl Burkhart trail to the windmill & back, then the dive bar in Littlerock where the Checkers M.C. held meetings. And still had Sunday off.

As for the discussion over California, of course there is lots of good stuff, and I will miss (I left). But it's politically incorrect to make points against due to wokeness, cancel culture, being pigeonholed for the truth, so that side of the argument is disarmed.

I have been lurking for days wondering if the DB is found out yet. Oh and a split second into the video my street smarts went on high alert, I knew that guy (that ignored a man down) was going to bolt. No words!
 
Runs w/ Scissors and I, separately, would commute on our bikes to Long Beach from Fullerton area. Mostly on paved bike paths. Coyote Creek riverbed to San Gabriel riverbed to Long Beach ocean path to downtown Long Beach. One of the great pleasures in life, to be able to ride to work, then on the way home see sea lion slowly floating up the San Gabriel river...
Do you still commute on bike once in a while Runs? I no longer work in LBCH...
 
Faust29 said:
I go through this, as both of our families are on the east coast. They see the craziest of the crazy on the TV... And think all Californians are in the streets protesting restaurant straws and smoking pot.
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My ex wife was convinced that she was going to get murdered when she joined the military and got orders to California, from Delaware. Also was told that there are black widow spiders everywhere and they can jump 20'. That was in the 90's :Roflmao
 
konakc said:
Runs w/ Scissors and I, separately, would commute on our bikes to Long Beach from Fullerton area. Mostly on paved bike paths. Coyote Creek riverbed to San Gabriel riverbed to Long Beach ocean path to downtown Long Beach. One of the great pleasures in life, to be able to ride to work, then on the way home see sea lion slowly floating up the San Gabriel river...
Do you still commute on bike once in a while Runs? I no longer work in LBCH...
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I commute about 10 feet these days, on foot. Working from home, 21 months now. :thumbsup:
 
Feb in so cal. Out on the Bight looking at the sunshine and the snow covered peaks. Jumping into 120+ visibility water. Sitting on deck getting my bottle filled, I told my pal. So cal in Feb really sucks as you have to decide to mtn bike the green hills, snow ski up on those mountains or gather tasty scallops from the Channel Islands. Life can be so perplexing.
 
This post woke me back up from the dead...

Just a side comment: If you ride a mountain bike in the presence of others - especially if you've ever ridden one at speeds >10mph whenever riding past one of those easily ignored speed limit signs you'll find in various locations in county parks - you should have a personal umbrella liability insurance policy. $2M in coverage costs <$400/year. It's dirt cheap compared to the cost of losing everything if you hit someone riding your bike, seriously injure them and they sue you. I bet the guy on the e-Bike didn't have one.
 
ThomasF said:
I think someone was at fault. Not paying attention will get you hurt in any circumstance. From what I see it was on fire road not sure how this could happen. Don’t run into anything and stay in control.
Ban stupid.
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I'm speculating here but consider the speed that the guy was doing when he fled the scene. If he was approaching the other rider at that speed, it would be difficult to maneuver in time to prevent a collision. Especially if the other rider did not hear or see him approaching (silent e-moto). Only those who were present (witnesses) can answer this.
 
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