Boutique vs Major brands... thoughts?

herzalot said:
I like that we blend metric and standard measurements to bring us 28 lb bikes made up of parts that weigh grams, top tubes that measure in inches and handlebars that are 780 mm wide. The fork should be discussed in mm of travel, but the rear travel shall be referred to in inches. I think "boutique" brands should change geometric measurements to be divisible by ten. This whole 360° in a circle thing is confusing, then calling temperature and angles "degrees" is really messing with my daughter's head.

Boutique brands should invent their own official "boutique" standard of weights and measures. That'll take care of those big companies who... hmmmm, constantly change standards to deliberately make things obsolete.

BTW, I am introducing Super Boost Minus - a 150 mm (5 11/16") hub spacing. Sure it's been done before on almost all DH bikes, but it was never called Super Boost Minus!



(for reference, Pivot introduced Super Boost Plus 157mm spacing last year).
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And what's the deal with 24 hour day with 60 minutes in an hour! I can deal with the 24 hours, but want 100 minutes in an hour right now!!!
 
Cyclotourist said:
And what's the deal with 24 hour day with 60 minutes in an hour! I can deal with the 24 hours, but want 100 minutes in an hour right now!!!
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And where are we?

33 DEGREES, 35 MINUTES 22 SECONDS North and 117° 45' 22" West. Notice the abbreviations for minutes and seconds are the same as the abbreviation for feet and inches.

WHAT IS HAPPENING!!!!!! :eek: :mad: :stop:

I trust the "boutique" brands will fix this, as long as we develop good relationship with bike shops. :cool: :thumbsup:



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PS - I need someone to standardize longitude. Differences in Latitude are constant, but differences in Longitude are dependent on your Latitude. That's not how grids are supposed to work, people!

And the poles are now officially 100° N or S, not 90°.
 
Danimal said:
Or a New York Minute....Don't know what that is either.

In all seriousness, the conversation about inches and centimeters is just silly o_O. Get over it, move on :stop: and if you don't know the conversion, use a conversion calculator. Which I have so generously linked for ease of use.
http://www.metric-conversions.org/conversion-calculators.htm

I can only hope this is the end of it...
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Agreed. It started with "Takes a standard 190x51 shock" and was rather innocent till a person had to insult 95% of the worlds population. Guess most of us rather be in the big boat than only together with Liberia and Burma.
 
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Runs with Scissors said:
Stating a reality...unless you grow up with the metric system, it makes no sense. I can tell you all day long that a meter is based on something or other, but it will still not stick. I know how long a statute mile is: 5,280 feet. I know how long a foot is: 12 inches. I know how long an inch is, because I own rulers and measuring tapes. :whistling:
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I grew up with mostly the SI system. My father was into muscle cars, most of the cars I worked on (I was an aspiring mechanic) was SI. I started learning metric when I got into VW's as a teenager. Becoming a professional mechanic on ships, everything was SI (especially considering my first ship was built in WWII, my second during Vietnam!). But even then still knew that metric was the superior system. I justs learned how to use both.

But seriously, your argument is "English is the superior language because I grew up with it." Refusing to learn a second language because you didn't grow up with it doesn't make your ONLY language superior. That said, I only know English, though I have taken a couple semesters of Latin and one Spanish.

I'll take the metric system anyday over SI. But the reality is I have to use both because some parts of the world won't play catch up.

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9909/30/mars.metric.02/
 
john_hovard said:
Agreed. It started with "Takes a standard 190x51 shock" and was rather innocent till an arrogant fool had to insult 95% of the worlds population. Guess most of us rather be in the big boat than only together with Liberia and Burma. As soon as an excuse has been given I will revert "arrogant fool" to "person".
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Easy there John... this whole metric-bashing - imperial standards derail is tongue in cheek sarcasm, not Xenophobia!

(I hope...)
 
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Sidewalk said:
I grew up with mostly the SI system. My father was into muscle cars, most of the cars I worked on (I was an aspiring mechanic) was SI. I started learning metric when I got into VW's as a teenager. Becoming a professional mechanic on ships, everything was SI (especially considering my first ship was built in WWII, my second during Vietnam!). But even then still knew that metric was the superior system. I justs learned how to use both.

But seriously, your argument is "English is the superior language because I grew up with it." Refusing to learn a second language because you didn't grow up with it doesn't make your ONLY language superior. That said, I only know English, though I have taken a couple semesters of Latin and one Spanish.

I'll take the metric system anyday over SI. But the reality is I have to use both because some parts of the world won't play catch up.

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9909/30/mars.metric.02/
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I think you'll find that most 'Mericans will happily use metric if you pay them to do so. But trying to force us to switch for free because everyone else is doing it? Naaah.
 
Sidewalk said:
But seriously, your argument is "English is the superior language because I grew up with it." Refusing to learn a second language because you didn't grow up with it doesn't make your ONLY language superior. That said, I only know English, though I have taken a couple semesters of Latin and one Spanish.
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No language needs more than one way to say "the." . . .:Roflmao

Oh forget it, too many people take this too seriously. This arrogant fool will go back to using Cannondale, Trek, Giant. No Special Ed, though... :rolleyes:
 
Sidewalk said:
I grew up with mostly the SI system. My father was into muscle cars, most of the cars I worked on (I was an aspiring mechanic) was SI. I started learning metric when I got into VW's as a teenager. Becoming a professional mechanic on ships, everything was SI (especially considering my first ship was built in WWII, my second during Vietnam!). But even then still knew that metric was the superior system. I justs learned how to use both.

But seriously, your argument is "English is the superior language because I grew up with it." Refusing to learn a second language because you didn't grow up with it doesn't make your ONLY language superior. That said, I only know English, though I have taken a couple semesters of Latin and one Spanish.

I'll take the metric system anyday over SI. But the reality is I have to use both because some parts of the world won't play catch up.

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9909/30/mars.metric.02/
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Let's be honest, the official language of the world will always originate from the nation with the most nukes.
 
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I always wanted to try an EVIL, although that Transition is looking mighty sweet. However I'm sure my next bike will be one I can demo for more than one ride. This will narrow the selection down to a few.
My current bike keeps me quite happy, although I'm looking a year or so into the future ( maybe back to the future....but that's another topic) about a year.
Yeti (Loved my 575), Ibis ( Ripley has me Drooling), Trek ( yes I do like the trek), Norco ( new Sight is sweet), Rocky Mountain ( current steed and I like it!), Santa Cruz ( maybe, although I heard rumors that the Hightower is pretty sweet)..And it's a better than 50/50 chance it'll be a 29er. Even If I am on the shorter side...

Question for @john_hovard , I google-mapped Las Palmas and seems although there are communities named that all over So Cal, the only city I found is off the coast of Western Sahara in Africa. Las Palmas de Gran Canaria. So please excuse my ignorance, where is it? ( I do know La Palma in So Cal). Think you at some point mentioned it but do not recall where, and I'm feeling little lazy...
 
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I think the "Boutique vs big box" subject is too broad to get much from. I think the forum could be really helpful in narrowing down a specific comparison of say 3-4 bikes of similar category and cost. The devil is in the details.
 
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