I would pay $5 to participate in Herzie vs Runs bike rides as long as professional medical assistance would be forbidden. For example, Runs with Scissors would do a 15-mile/2,800' ride/HAB of TERCL with 5-Oaks and Car Wreck thrown in to help express Herzie's point that Runs' bike riding is mild sauce. Then (and this must come second because if it were first, the contest would end there) Herzie would do a 30-mile/5,000'ride of MTT to GMR to Mt. Baldy Village, only to keel over in withering cramps somewhere along GMR without ever making it to the Village. Runs could photograph the suffering and post in the I'm riding My Bike Now (Live and Direct) thread for our entertainment. If I had to pick a survivor, I would bet on Runs with Scissors, but I would rather ride with Herzie, especially in Laguna.