Coronavirus. Not to be confused with Norcovirus.

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Derkderkall said:
Most of us will be affected by this in some way or another.... But let's consider the state of our society, we would be kidding ourselves to deny that, as previously mentioned in this very thread, that we will see a variety of effects due to the wealth gap. I think of The families I service on a daily basis, where both parents work service jobs to barely pay rent and hopefully have as enough left over to feed their family (if it hasn't been hoarded). I'm glad we can say even in times such as this, that we make efforts to protect our most vulnerable. That is what makes us a civilized society.
Please, let's avoid the social Darwinism and focus on being good neighbors and community members...

Yes, it's not fair to landlords as well, but it is a moratorium to protect vulnerable members of our society, stop thinking of everything as having "socialist" motivations....
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Understand this is just a discussion... not an accusation, just forum talk...:)
So what about people with mortgages? Are they eligible too? They have more to lose than a renter if they don’t make their mortgage payment. And saying it’s not fair to the landlord is an easy statement to make, not only do they have mortgage payments on their investments, how about if they have maintenance employees, as well as the mortgage on their own home. So do we go to the lenders and tell them they can’t foreclose? Then the government bails out the lenders with funding?

The cascade.

A couple of words that trigger me is “wealth gap” and “vulnerable members of society”.
You say wealth gap, I say “choice gap”. When you say vulnerable members of society, who is that exactly? And why is it our job to protect them? Now I’m not talking about those with mental or physical challenges, those are a given.

The couple you spoke of, both in the service industry that you referred to, what are they doing to advance their future and change their situation? If they are that tight on their financial endeavors and they can barely feed their family, what are they doing to change that? Why did they start a family without means to support it? Everything comes down to making good choices.

Why does this stuff trigger me?

When the market crashed in 2008. My construction company was in debt well over a million bucks. Customers foreclosed on their projects I was building for them and I was left holding the bag. A big bag. Obama kept talking about relief funding and grants. I could not qualify because I was not considered a minority. I was a “vulnerable member of society” but apparently I was not helpless enough. So I stayed responsible to dig my family out of that mess. I did not receive assistance, no moratorium for my mortgage payment. I still owe $140k today for that episode over 10 years ago and still working it down.

People have to be responsible and resilient on their own. That is the problem with this “equitable society” we have people pushing us to become. It makes our Nation as a whole weak.

Besides who would even be eligible to be evicted in the short time we are talking? I was a landlord. Does anyone here realize how long it takes and how much it costs to even attempt to evict a renter?

There! Fiction and fact, from Mikie’s almanac! ;)
Like I said, just a point of view, let the torching commence! :Roflmao
 
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Mikie said:
Understand this is just a discussion... not an accusation, just forum talk...:)
So what about people with mortgages? Are they eligible too? They have more to lose than a renter if they don’t make their mortgage payment. And saying it’s not fair to the landlord is an easy statement to make, not only do they have mortgage payments on their investments, how about if they have maintenance employees, as well as the mortgage on their own home. So do we go to the lenders and tell them they can’t foreclose? Then the government bails out the lenders with funding? The cascade.

A couple of words that trigger me is “wealth gap” and “vulnerable members of society”.
You say wealth gap, I say “choice gap”. When you say vulnerable members of society, who is that exactly? And why is it our job to protect them? Now I’m not talking about those with mental or physical challenges, those are a given.

The couple you spoke of, both in the service industry that you referred to, what are they doing to advance their future and change their situation? If they are that tight on their financial endeavors they can barely feed their family, what are they doing to change that. Why did they start a family without means to support it. Everything comes down to making good choices.

Why does this stuff trigger me?

When the market crashed in 2008. My construction company was in debt well over a million bucks. Customers foreclosed on their projects I was building for them and I was left holding the bag. A big bag. Obama kept talking about relief funding and grants. I could not qualify because I was not considered a minority. I was a “vulnerable member of society” but apparently I was not helpless enough. So I stayed responsible to dig my family out of that mess. I did not receive assistance, no moratorium for my mortgage payment. I still owe $140k today for that episode over 10 years ago and still working it down.

People have to be responsible and resilient on their own. That is the problem with this “equitable society” we have people pushing us to become. It makes our Nation as a whole weak.

Besides who would even be eligible to be evicted in the short time we are talking? I was a landlord. Does anyone here realize how long it takes and how much it costs to even attempt to evict a renter?

There! Fiction and fact, from Mikie’s almanac! ;)
Like I said, just a point of view, let the torching commence! :Roflmao
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Don't quote me on this to the letter, but yes, mortgages are eligible as well. It went something like this: missed rent and mortgage can payed back at a later time without penalty. No late fees can be applied. No evictions can be filed. Nothing is forgiven, but you have the opportunity to miss your payment if you are affected by the Corona virus pandemic. In case anyone is wondering, all of us affected.

It is not say that everyone should skip their payment if they can afford it though. Debt sucks, plain and simple.
 
I agree with the Canadian! In 2008 my wife lost her job, she was a shopper so she did not qualify for unemployment benefits. We could have fought that and won, maybe but Brown was gov and O was pres. The state used escape clauses to get out of writing her a check. she should have fallen at work and gone out on med leave but we answer to a high authority. We know so many who have, knee this shoulder that etc. We sucked it up and life went on. Now we are doing to ourselves as a society. I went to the market today. It was so sad, I thought now I know how Cubans, Soviets, feel. I looked some more, no there were many items on the shelves, just not food items, this is no Cuba. But it is the best Bernie, and Biden election add I have ever seen. Look at the stores, and think once the central planners get in control it will all go away and be replaced with things you do not need.
Here is how my mayor described the situation before he was pres...

You know there’s a ten year delay in the Soviet Union of the delivery of an automobile, and only one out of seven families in the Soviet Union own automobiles. There’s a ten year wait. And you go through quite a process when you’re ready to buy, and then you put up the money in advance. And this happened to a fella, and this is their story, that they tell, this joke, that this man, he laid down his money, and then the fella that was in charge, said, ‘Okay, come back in ten years to get your car.’ And he said, ‘Morning or afternoon?’ and the fella behind the counter said, ‘Ten years from now, what difference does it make?’ and he said, ‘Well, the plumber’s coming in the morning.'”
 
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I agree with the Canadian! In 2008 my wife lost her job, she was a shopper so she did not qualify for unemployment benefits. We could have fought that and won, maybe but Brown was gov and O was pres. The state used escape clauses to get out of writing her a check. she should have fallen at work and gone out on med leave but we answer to a high authority. We know so many who have, knee this shoulder that etc. We sucked it up and life went on. Now we are doing to ourselves as a society. I went to the market today. It was so sad, I thought now I know how Cubans, Soviets, feel. I looked some more, no there were many items on the shelves, just not food items, this is no Cuba. But it is the best Bernie, and Biden election add I have ever seen. Look at the stores, and think once the central planners get in control it will all go away and be replaced with things you do not need.
Here is how my mayor described the situation before he was pres...

You know there’s a ten year delay in the Soviet Union of the delivery of an automobile, and only one out of seven families in the Soviet Union own automobiles. There’s a ten year wait. And you go through quite a process when you’re ready to buy, and then you put up the money in advance. And this happened to a fella, and this is their story, that they tell, this joke, that this man, he laid down his money, and then the fella that was in charge, said, ‘Okay, come back in ten years to get your car.’ And he said, ‘Morning or afternoon?’ and the fella behind the counter said, ‘Ten years from now, what difference does it make?’ and he said, ‘Well, the plumber’s coming in the morning.'”
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Soooooo.... I’m confused. You just bagged on socialism and you agree with the Canadian...
All... this is all just loose talk and not condemning anything or anyone. I love Bryan Adams! ;) This went immediatly into politics which was not the direction I was heading. Just trying to state, “Be responsible for yourself so others don’t have to...
 
Mikie said:
I was a “vulnerable member of society” but apparently I was not helpless enough.
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So... I feel your pain and don't disagree with it. Government today is all about "haves" and "have-nots". Sadly, no one asked the "have-nots" how they got that status. :)

My dad always used to say at tax time "I feel it is a privilege to pay taxes... because that means I have income to pay taxes on." He grew up in the depth of the Great Depression... when his father, who was a talented amateur artist, couldn't afford to draw because he couldn't afford the art paper.

Fortunately, I am smart enough to stay one step ahead of the government. So I'll skip the $1000 Federal "emergency coronavirus payout" that was caused by... wait for it... the Federal government. Instead I will simply slip away to North Carolina, and fade into the background. The less the government knows about me, the better.
 
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mtnbikej said:
Just the general tone of the thread.
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C flat...
herzalot said:
What else floats on water?

Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?
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Mikie said:
Soooooo.... I’m confused. You just bagged on socialism and you agree with the Canadian...
All... this is all just loose talk and not condemning anything or anyone. I love Bryan Adams! ;) This went immediatly into politics which was not the direction I was heading. Just trying to state, “Be responsible for yourself so others don’t have to...
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I think you are the Canadian here? Je nais sais pas....

I acknowledge your reply from above, but as @mtnbikej stated, beginning to creep into politics here. My input above was in that spirit, to make it about the humans involved, not politics.

@Mikie we could go back and forth on this ad infinitum and completely derail the thread. We know where each other stands, and pretty sure we know both of our stubborn assess won't be crossing the aisle any time soon....
 
All of our opinions don’t really matter at this moment do they? I know we are all trying to make sense of it all, but this is so big and so crazy that I don’t think we can, and it’s playing out and there is nothing we can do but wait it out, all at the same time trying to stay sane, not burning IMTB trails down. We all have to try not to turn on each other. Now it is possible that school is out indefinitely for the year, which means those of us who have spouses who are teachers and then husbands also not working is going to test marriages right. We are good but what about others? Vegas just closed all it’s casinos, this is so much bigger than money! The complications are going to multiply and be out of control if this does not end soon. This is the craziest Sh!t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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hill^billy said:
All of our opinions don’t really matter at this moment do they? I know we are all trying to make sense of it all, but this is so big and so crazy that I don’t think we can, and it’s playing out and there is nothing we can do but wait it out, all at the same time trying to stay sane, not burning IMTB trails down. We all have to try not to turn on each other. Now it is possible that school is out indefinitely out for the year, which means those of us who have spouses who are teachers and then husbands also not working is going to test marriages right. We are good but what about others? Vegas just closed all it’s casinos, this is so much bigger than money! This is the craziest Sh!t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Or in our house, both spouses are teachers.....
 
I went to Albertsons today and found that the shelves are slowly starting to see more product. I was thrilled to find produce and some meats and I even scored a hot rotisserie chicken, fresh off the rack. Still no paper products or water, though. The folks shopping were calm and there was hardly anyone in line, just two or three deep. So much better. :)
 
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I went to Albertsons today and found that the shelves are slowly starting to see more product. I was thrilled to find produce and some meats and I even scored a hot rotisserie chicken, fresh off the rack. Still no paper products or water, though. The folks shopping were calm and there was hardly anyone in line, just two or three deep. So much better. :)
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Let’s hope or pray the calm can last?
 
SnakeCharmer said:
I went to Albertsons today and found that the shelves are slowly starting to see more product. I was thrilled to find produce and some meats and I even scored a hot rotisserie chicken, fresh off the rack. Still no paper products or water, though. The folks shopping were calm and there was hardly anyone in line, just two or three deep. So much better. :)
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Same here.
I went to sprouts and Vons. Fresh veggies and fruit were available.
 
SnakeCharmer said:
I went to Albertsons today and found that the shelves are slowly starting to see more product. I was thrilled to find produce and some meats and I even scored a hot rotisserie chicken, fresh off the rack. Still no paper products or water, though. The folks shopping were calm and there was hardly anyone in line, just two or three deep. So much better. :)
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If you really need something try going at 6 AM or so when they're about finished stocking, but no customers to speak of. I got what was needed a few days ago.
 
On the news last night showed one of those alarming hockey stick exponential graphs labeled “# of Coronavirus cases in the us jan-now. “
So misleading. Should be labeled # of TESTS administered to people who have covid symptoms and then tested positive. We really have no idea of the actual number of cases over time, or exactly how long it’s been in the us. Some experts (outside the us) think it actually originated here in oct. Meanwhile on the scale of the graph on screen the number of flu cases would be a couple thousand feet up the y axis.
 
fos'l said:
If you really need something try going at 6 AM or so when they're about finished stocking, but no customers to speak of. I got what was needed a few days ago.
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In the mornings here in my region, there are lines of people waiting for the stores to open. My plan is to avoid close contact so I choose to go later in the day when the crowds have gone. I realize that this that means that the stores are picked over though. I'd rather go without paper towels and remain healthy than to risk becoming infected for paper towels.
 
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