A Different Kind of Crash...

herzalot said:
@Mikie
There's also some other technology specific to mt. biking that helps knees, but I'm guessing you would rather quit riding than make use of it. :sneaky: :stop: Besides, that technology is currently difficult to lift over fences.
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But then you wouldn’t actually be mountain biking but riding a moped....and he really would feel 17 again. Minus the wind blowing thru his hair of course. :rolleyes:
 
Voodoo Tom said:
So Mr Wats... meh I’ll just call you @Mikie as your primary care phakesytion I feel now is the proper time to discontinue the Motrin and resume normal hooliganistic activities slowly over the next 7-10 days. Also I must stress the importance of continuing the beer consumption as it is imperative to keep the joint properly lubricated as well as maintaining proper brain function. I’ll schedule your next follow up for week from Saturday at my field office location in Sandberg Ca. It’s easy to find as it’s located just off the historic ridge route road under a giant oak tree...:cool:
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:Roflmao:laugh::Roflmao

That’s some pretty good news @Mikie !
A friend of mine has arthritis in her knees and gets regular fascia release massage at a local chiropractor. She says it’s a little painful but the relief happens in the next day or two! She’s a runner and is still able to run long distance! She used to get the cortisol shots, but gave up on them, IDK why.
See ya on the trail brother!;)
 
Mikie said:
Finally saw an Ortho yesterday!
As with many doctors, when I asked him what his name was he said, “Uh, you can call me Rick.” A doc with a very long name for me to pronounced, I’m thankful he made it easy.
So Dr. Rick, not to be confused with Ranger Rick, was one badazz dude.

When he asked if I was taking any medication, I told him my previous doctor... Dr. @Voodoo Tom had prescribed Motrin 800 and large consumptions of beer. He didn’t bat an eye.

Climbing on the exam table he quickly determined there was a fluid build up. He left to grab some doctor stuff and return with syringes with big azz needles. I hate needles but I manned up. He said I would experience a little cold on my knee (which I only kinda did) and waited for the puncture...
Next thing I realize he is showing me 20cc+ of extracted fluid. I never thought 20cc’s was a lot until then. Next a cortisone shot, or something like it. Even before the Cortisone, the pain was gone. I never felt either needle.

We talked about MRI’s, said it was up to me, suggested to give it 30 days as he suspected it would feel much better quickly that the fluid was putting pressure on the tear, thus the excruciating pain!

He was more concerned with my right knee then the injured one. Stated I had significant arthritis and no meniscus left and the inside was bone on bone. Both knees have a strong case of Chondrocalcinosis.
We had along talk about knee replacement and after sharing the type of mountain biking Ido, he did not recommend replacements. That made me sad. It was my great hope to become 17 again.

So that’s why I have followed @OTHRider knee replacement so closely. At least Ifeelway better physically.
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Good to read that it's on the mend. Big question is why was knee replacement not recommended?
 
Mikie said:
Finally saw an Ortho yesterday!
As with many doctors, when I asked him what his name was he said, “Uh, you can call me Rick.” A doc with a very long name for me to pronounced, I’m thankful he made it easy.
So Dr. Rick, not to be confused with Ranger Rick, was one badazz dude.

When he asked if I was taking any medication, I told him my previous doctor... Dr. @Voodoo Tom had prescribed Motrin 800 and large consumptions of beer. He didn’t bat an eye.

Climbing on the exam table he quickly determined there was a fluid build up. He left to grab some doctor stuff and return with syringes with big azz needles. I hate needles but I manned up. He said I would experience a little cold on my knee (which I only kinda did) and waited for the puncture...
Next thing I realize he is showing me 20cc+ of extracted fluid. I never thought 20cc’s was a lot until then. Next a cortisone shot, or something like it. Even before the Cortisone, the pain was gone. I never felt either needle.

We talked about MRI’s, said it was up to me, suggested to give it 30 days as he suspected it would feel much better quickly that the fluid was putting pressure on the tear, thus the excruciating pain!

He was more concerned with my right knee then the injured one. Stated I had significant arthritis and no meniscus left and the inside was bone on bone. Both knees have a strong case of Chondrocalcinosis.
We had along talk about knee replacement and after sharing the type of mountain biking Ido, he did not recommend replacements. That made me sad. It was my great hope to become 17 again.

So that’s why I have followed @OTHRider knee replacement so closely. At least Ifeelway better physically.
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:thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
herzalot said:
while until they invent the magical injectable cartilage replacement therapy that I am dreaming will happen. :thumbsup:
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Here it is.
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Cyclotourist said:
Good to read that it's on the mend. Big question is why was knee replacement not recommended?
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That’s a great question. Technology still can not match OEM.
He said they cut the knee out then literally glue in bone to sockets upper an lower. Although cycling is a low impact sport, mountain biking is not as. After describing dropping 3 and 4 foot hucks and dropping the San Gabes he was hesitant to support it as a viable option.
So he just suggested that all effort should be focused on making original equipment manufactured as usable as long as possible and look at knee replacement as a last option and changing up the trail menu to more flowy conditions. That confused me as when I looked online at aftermarket products, it didn’t seem that was the case.
 
Mikie said:
That’s a great question. Technology still can not match OEM.
He said they cut the knee out then literally glue in bone to sockets upper an lower. Although cycling is a low impact sport, mountain biking is not as. After describing dropping 3 and 4 foot hucks and dropping the San Gabes he was hesitant to support it as a viable option.
So he just suggested that all effort should be focused on making original equipment manufactured as usable as long as possible and look at knee replacement as a last option and changing up the trail menu to more flowy conditions. That confused me as when I looked online at aftermarket products, it didn’t seem that was the case.
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Hard choice:

*get the new knew and forever end the 3'-4' hucks, but continue riding in more of an XC manor

OR

*continue 3'-4' hucks until your knee finally falls off
 
Mikie said:
That’s a great question. Technology still can not match OEM.
He said they cut the knee out then literally glue in bone to sockets upper an lower. Although cycling is a low impact sport, mountain biking is not as. After describing dropping 3 and 4 foot hucks and dropping the San Gabes he was hesitant to support it as a viable option.
So he just suggested that all effort should be focused on making original equipment manufactured as usable as long as possible and look at knee replacement as a last option and changing up the trail menu to more flowy conditions. That confused me as when I looked online at aftermarket products, it didn’t seem that was the case.
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Thanks for clarifying! I was wondering what the conversation was and how mountain biking was specifically related to it. GREAT that you had a Dr. that was able to include that in the conversation.

So it's like you have a Proflex and are going to have to figure out a way to make that Girvin fork keep working!
 
Hmm....there’s many people on MTBR that claim they MTB after knee replacements. We met a guy in St George one year who was there to SPECIFICALLY mountain bike after getting a knee replacement. According to him, his ortho surgeon told him to “go buy the best mountain bike you can afford and ride the wheels off”. He got bored riding near his home in Northern Utah (Logan) so he came to St George. He crashed on day one and broke a couple ribs :facepalm: We met him in the hot tub that night. On the plus side, his knee was fine though :D He was mostly bummed that he wasn't going to be able to golf.
 
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Mikie said:
He said they cut the knee out then literally glue in bone to sockets upper an lower
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Absolutely true. The cuts to the bones provide some angles (facets) for increased surface contact with the glue and a very secure implant fit. Don't worry about the cuts, there is really no KNEE or BONE pain with your short-course pain management. It is all gone. You can do full weight-bearing the same day (as long as you remain active and healthy). You may get some soreness a few weeks later in the basic knee area but it doesn't even demand a Motrin. The reactivation of the hams, quads, calves, increasing flexion & extension, sucking it up when the micro-nerves start tingling at night is way more bothersome - but easily manageable.

mtbMike said:
Hmm....there’s many people on MTBR that claim they MTB after knee replacements.
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My surgeon is a cyclist of all disciplines. He related all FUTURE activities back to "How long do you want your knee to last". Can I MTB with 4' drops; parachute; run a marathon - yes to all! But, you will drastically reduce your knee longevity.

The mental part of "not being able to ______" has been easier for me. I've been cutting out activities that hurt for over 20 years. I'm simply blown away that I can now walk over a mile with no pain or limp.

I sure hope the draining of your knee helps and that you can get a couple more decades on two wheels before your knees finally scream back at you.
 
mtbMike said:
We met a guy in St George
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Yeah longevity is the issue.. How old was this guy BTW? Like your doc said Mikie, surgery last option. You've been talking about your bone on bone situation for at least a year or more, and been handling it pretty well, hucking etc. I've heard docs tell their pts. there will come a time when you will "know" its time for a replacement. Any many people say they are glad they had it done. Many satisfied customers and hooligans on here!
 
scan said:
Yeah longevity is the issue.. How old was this guy BTW? Like your doc said Mikie, surgery last option. You've been talking about your bone on bone situation for at least a year or more, and been handling it pretty well, hucking etc. I've heard docs tell their pts. there will come a time when you will "know" its time for a replacement. Any many people say they are glad they had it done. Many satisfied customers and hooligans on here!
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The guy was in his mid 60’s and a solid 50-70 lbs overweight. He definitely won’t be going off 4’ drops. I know after I broke my femur at the knee and in the process tore both meniscus (which are toast) , ACL and LCL, I know my knee doesn’t like repeated chatter. So running, skiing or snowboarding on anything but powder are not comfortable but all bike riding, including drops and chunk, doesn’t seem to bother my knee at all.
I’m sure everyone is different. I know a guy who is an avid snowboarder that blew out his ACL 30+ years ago and never had it repaired. He doesn’t even wear a brace.
 
DangerDirtyD said:
How’s it going Mikie? Are you able to pedal the long road ahoe Nugget?
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Well Cathy and I have migrated into the trailer park lifestyle!:gotnothing:
I guess some would call it long term glamping. I have ordered a banjo on Amazon. Had lots of........... challenges. Oven not working, heater not working. The heater quit working around 12:00 midnight last night, took me most all day today to read up and understand how the heater works. Traced down the problem and solved it around 2:00pm today. @Voodoo Tom and I had discussed riding in the afternoon. I totally brain farted on that...
Cathy got home from church and some shopping and we went for a putt. My first ride in like 6 or 7 weeks.
Knee felt good. We did a local Kings Canyon loop. I don’t have Internet yet so no facts. But rode over 10 miles and I
think around 1,100 climb.

So all in all, it went pretty good!
 
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konakc said:
Mikie

I don't feel any tramau to my knees w the ripmo..
It's like riding a marshymellow...
Seriously.. plush...
Very comfortable... Too comfortable...
Easy on the knees
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Plush sitting and spinning is death to my knees. The single speed, contrary to popular belief, is therapeutic. Everything else on the body may hurt afterwards, but the knees are thankful. :D

@Mikie - Glad you got out for a spin. I'll call that progress in the right direction. :thumbsup:
 
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