The "Snakes" Got Wrists

mike said:
A frustrating situation, Mike. I think an overuse injury with have a difficult time mending itself without changes.

Grips with a generous platform? (Ergon, etc.) Bar tape? Handlebar sweep? Are you using ice and heat?
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Well, it's more of a "plum worn out" condition. Not something I can heal from. Basically, the cartilage between two of the tiny bones where my hand and wrist come together is worn away and arthritis is trying to fill in the void. It's a lifelong repetitive use issue. I have tried heat and cold directly and neither helps. However, warm weather is better than cold weather so heat does play a part, probably where flexibility is concerned. Doctors say to use anti-inflammatory meds but I have used enough of that stuff for a lifetime already. Next step is cortisone shots but I want to avoid that since it's only a temporary fix and it might mot help at all. Last resort is actually removing a bone from my hand. :eek:

Doc says that this is a common condition but usually for older folks. Am I that old? :unsure:
 
buggravy said:
Update on this, that may or may not be of use to @SnakeCharmer and/or others. I really dug in deep on ways to fight inflammation without meds around the time of the above post. One of the things that I found really compelling info on was the beneficial effects of various forms of fasting on inflammation markers through autophagy. Basically when your body is in the fasted state it starts scavenging unhealthy cells, taking what it can use, and then flushing those cells out. Growth hormones are then activated and replace the unhealthy cells with new healthy ones. Time restricted eating (aka intermittent fasting) is purportedly a good vehicle for this. More profound autophagy is achieved in prolonged 3-5 day water fasts (probably not done more than quarterly). @SnakeCharmer , one reason I thought of you on this is a recent podcast I heard between Tom Bilyeu and Dr. Peter Attia (I can't remember who was on whose podcast) where Tom was talking about chronic profound wrist pain that he'd had for a long time, that disappeared at around the 3 day mark into a fast. For myself, the Reactive Arthritis that I referenced above (shortly after the post above the doc said he thought it was more likely Seronegative RA) caused constant inflammation in my S.I. joint that was easily aggravated, along with neck, shoulder, elbow, and hip pain. The shoulder turned out to be torn, which has been repaired, and the neck pain has proven to be more of an injury/mechanical deficiency issue than a systemic inflammation issue. I've been doing 16/8 time restricted eating religiously for the last 5-6 months. One study indicated that doing it 5 days a week provides essentially the same benefits as doing it everyday, so on days when I'm going to ride early I break my fast early on those days. I am completely off of all prescription meds, and am virtually pain free everywhere except my neck. I only occasionally take ibuprofen as needed specifically for my neck, though I seem to be rounding a corner on that as well. Anyway, the science on fasting to treat inflammation and autoimmune issues is really compelling. Might be worth checking into. I do take a daily CBD capsule, and use the topical oil on my neck, but I feel like the benefit I get from those, at least as far as pain goes, is minimal at best.
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This is very interesting info! :thumbsup:
 
buggravy said:
Update on this, that may or may not be of use to @SnakeCharmer and/or others. I really dug in deep on ways to fight inflammation without meds around the time of the above post. One of the things that I found really compelling info on was the beneficial effects of various forms of fasting on inflammation markers through autophagy. Basically when your body is in the fasted state it starts scavenging unhealthy cells, taking what it can use, and then flushing those cells out. Growth hormones are then activated and replace the unhealthy cells with new healthy ones. Time restricted eating (aka intermittent fasting) is purportedly a good vehicle for this. More profound autophagy is achieved in prolonged 3-5 day water fasts (probably not done more than quarterly). @SnakeCharmer , one reason I thought of you on this is a recent podcast I heard between Tom Bilyeu and Dr. Peter Attia (I can't remember who was on whose podcast) where Tom was talking about chronic profound wrist pain that he'd had for a long time, that disappeared at around the 3 day mark into a fast. For myself, the Reactive Arthritis that I referenced above (shortly after the post above the doc said he thought it was more likely Seronegative RA) caused constant inflammation in my S.I. joint that was easily aggravated, along with neck, shoulder, elbow, and hip pain. The shoulder turned out to be torn, which has been repaired, and the neck pain has proven to be more of an injury/mechanical deficiency issue than a systemic inflammation issue. I've been doing 16/8 time restricted eating religiously for the last 5-6 months. One study indicated that doing it 5 days a week provides essentially the same benefits as doing it everyday, so on days when I'm going to ride early I break my fast early on those days. I am completely off of all prescription meds, and am virtually pain free everywhere except my neck. I only occasionally take ibuprofen as needed specifically for my neck, though I seem to be rounding a corner on that as well. Anyway, the science on fasting to treat inflammation and autoimmune issues is really compelling. Might be worth checking into. I do take a daily CBD capsule, and use the topical oil on my neck, but I feel like the benefit I get from those, at least as far as pain goes, is minimal at best.
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This^^^^^^ is all spot on IMHO! Diet is everything and fasting(even intermittent) is so good for the body,
thanks for taking the time to write this all out..hopefully it helps someone out there who’s dealing with inflammation/ joint pain, etc. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
SnakeCharmer said:
This is very interesting info! :thumbsup:
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I dare say it has been a bit life changing for me, or is at least heading in that direction. That said, the quest for information on it is a rabbit hole. If you decide to delve into it a bit, and like to listen as opposed to read (I do), the episode of Joe Rogan's podcast with Dr. Rhonda Patrick (the most recent one - she has been on there a couple times) is a great jumping off point.
 
scan said:
You should at least try that brace I recommended on post #46.
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I wouldn't be able to function wearing a brace of any kind. Limiting motion is what my doctor wants me to do. Limiting motion would put me out of business. In fact, I dare to say that what I do for work requires more out of a hand than the average line of work. To that, my doctor says, find another line of work. :mad:
 
SnakeCharmer said:
I wouldn't be able to function wearing a brace of any kind. Limiting motion is what my doctor wants me to do. Limiting motion would put me out of business. In fact, I dare to say that what I do for work requires more out of a hand than the average line of work. To that, my doctor says, find another line of work. :mad:
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Keep using the CBD, I’ve heard it can take a little while to get into the system. Either way it can’t hurt:thumbsup:
 
SnakeCharmer said:
I wouldn't be able to function wearing a brace of any kind. Limiting motion is what my doctor wants me to do. Limiting motion would put me out of business. In fact, I dare to say that what I do for work requires more out of a hand than the average line of work. To that, my doctor says, find another line of work. :mad:
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Window washing? Thanks for the picture of what you're up against. If your condition is as advanced as you say, and the surgery is not uncommon and has favorable outcome, I'd be leaning toward that definitive solution. That and sub out the hand work?

Repetitive work injury has brought down the toughest. I've seen it alter recreational lives – as in, end them completely. Good luck keeping away from that camp!!!
 
mike said:
Window washing? Thanks for the picture of what you're up against. If your condition is as advanced as you say, and the surgery is not uncommon and has favorable outcome, I'd be leaning toward that definitive solution. That and sub out the hand work?

Repetitive work injury has brought down the toughest. I've seen it alter recreational lives – as in, end them completely. Good luck keeping away from that camp!!!
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The surgery in this case is a last resort. Meaning I should avoid it. They remove a bone and leave the created void for scar tissue to fill in. Its my understanding that the pain issue is relieved but how in the heck could a hand ever function again as it was meant to when a glob of scar tissue is meant to support it?! IMO, it cant and this would only lead to future issues elsewhere due to the imbalance created for the sake of pain relief. Craziness.

I suppose that this is a logical choice for someone who is retired and winding down in life but I am nowhere near that.

And, thank you everyone for you input.
 
buggravy said:
Update on this, that may or may not be of use to @SnakeCharmer and/or others. I really dug in deep on ways to fight inflammation without meds around the time of the above post. One of the things that I found really compelling info on was the beneficial effects of various forms of fasting on inflammation markers through autophagy. Basically when your body is in the fasted state it starts scavenging unhealthy cells, taking what it can use, and then flushing those cells out. Growth hormones are then activated and replace the unhealthy cells with new healthy ones. Time restricted eating (aka intermittent fasting) is purportedly a good vehicle for this. More profound autophagy is achieved in prolonged 3-5 day water fasts (probably not done more than quarterly). @SnakeCharmer , one reason I thought of you on this is a recent podcast I heard between Tom Bilyeu and Dr. Peter Attia (I can't remember who was on whose podcast) where Tom was talking about chronic profound wrist pain that he'd had for a long time, that disappeared at around the 3 day mark into a fast. For myself, the Reactive Arthritis that I referenced above (shortly after the post above the doc said he thought it was more likely Seronegative RA) caused constant inflammation in my S.I. joint that was easily aggravated, along with neck, shoulder, elbow, and hip pain. The shoulder turned out to be torn, which has been repaired, and the neck pain has proven to be more of an injury/mechanical deficiency issue than a systemic inflammation issue. I've been doing 16/8 time restricted eating religiously for the last 5-6 months. One study indicated that doing it 5 days a week provides essentially the same benefits as doing it everyday, so on days when I'm going to ride early I break my fast early on those days. I am completely off of all prescription meds, and am virtually pain free everywhere except my neck. I only occasionally take ibuprofen as needed specifically for my neck, though I seem to be rounding a corner on that as well. Anyway, the science on fasting to treat inflammation and autoimmune issues is really compelling. Might be worth checking into. I do take a daily CBD capsule, and use the topical oil on my neck, but I feel like the benefit I get from those, at least as far as pain goes, is minimal at best.
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Thanks for sharing and awesome to read you are having good results. Another thing to consider about inflammation is your diet. Not just healthy, but clean. Eat everything NON-GMO ORGANIC if you can. This will greatly reduce the amount of toxins in your body which may be affecting your inflammation. Also, quit all dairy products if you haven't already. Those are inflammatory as well.
I've been 95% all non gmo organic diet w/o dairy for a good six months now and results are fantastic. Down to my high school weight w/o even wanting to lose it. Sleep better, recover better, less fatigue throughout the day. NON GMO ORGANIC for the win!!!
 
SnakeCharmer said:
The surgery in this case is a last resort. Meaning I should avoid it. They remove a bone and leave the created void for scar tissue to fill in. Its my understanding that the pain issue is relieved but how in the heck could a hand ever function again as it was meant to when a glob of scar tissue is meant to support it?! IMO, it cant and this would only lead to future issues elsewhere due to the imbalance created for the sake of pain relief. Craziness.

I suppose that this is a logical choice for someone who is retired and winding down in life but I am nowhere near that.

And, thank you everyone for you input.
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Talk to a hand specialist. There is another surgery that is used for more active people like yourself.
And did you look at that brace I recommended, it's the least restrictive one out there and patients I know get benefit from it, allowing them more functional use of their hand.
 
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