The Automobile Thread

Derkderkall said:
There's gonna be something very close to this sitting in our driveway soon...

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Wrong thread - but nice car! Congrats!!!!

In a way it's related. It's the Telluride vs Atlas Thread. You ended up the same place we did. :thumbsup:

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Except yours seems less blurry!
 
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Derkderkall said:
Soooo...
Anyone else catch the Hummer commercial during the 1st inning?
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Did anyone here preorder the Hummer? First year of production was reserved within a couple hours, all at an MSRP of $112,500.

the $80,000 version looks great but it’s not due until 2023.

I love my Bolt, and I think GM and LG have the EV thing figured out. By the time I’m actually in the market, this might be in the running. Though I’d prefer a mid-size option.
 
Derkderkall said:
Just finished test drive in the Subaru ascent as well. We like it. Way sportier feel than the atlas. Like a big tire slack hardtail versus a 130 mm trail bike...
Talked the kia guys down to msrp on a telluride, out of a 10000 price gouge, but I think we are taking off the list. Really nice vehicle. But we want to haggle lower than sticker, not down to sticker
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My wife purchased the Telluride a few weeks back. She was very specific about the trim package. Demand was crazy and she paid a ton of money for it.
I never thought we’d have a KIA and for the price, I was pushing for a bunch of other vehicles. Now that we’ve had it for a while, I have to admit it is a very nice ride & I’m warming up to it:)
 
buggravy said:
I'm all about the refined driving experience that electric offers. Hopefully some quantum leaps can be made in regards to quick charging and long distance "refueling" as well as the inherent heft of battery packs. But yeah, it's clearly the way of the not too distant future.
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My guess is the leaps won't be "quantum" but rather slow, steady improvements.

I drive to trailheads like El Moro, Quail Hill, Whiting Ranch, STT, Blackstar etc. at least two orders of magnitude more often than I drive to Gooseberry Mesa. The Utah road trip use case simply isn't a priority. On the VERY rare occasion that happens, I can always rent something from Hertz.

Recharging takes 10 seconds: 5 to connect the cable when pulling into the garage and 5 more to disconnect it the following morning. No gas station visits EVER.
 
akmoney said:
My guess is the leaps won't be "quantum" but rather slow, steady improvements.

I drive to trailheads like El Moro, Quail Hill, Whiting Ranch, STT, Blackstar etc. at least two orders of magnitude more often than I drive to Gooseberry Mesa. The Utah road trip use case simply isn't a priority. On the VERY rare occasion that happens, I can always rent something from Hertz.

Recharging takes 10 seconds: 5 to connect the cable when pulling into the garage and 5 more to disconnect it the following morning. No gas station visits EVER.
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Yes, I think you're correct, but there are very big strides that will have to be made for the platform to gain widespread acceptance. I have the e-Tron, and while I love it in many ways, it is a car at odds with itself. The ultimate highway car that I would never take on a road trip. I gather that the Tesla charging network is a bit more user friendly, but there are obstacles nonetheless. I'm sold on EVs in many way, but not having an ICE car in the garage to supplement isn't an option yet.
 
buggravy said:
Yes, I think you're correct, but there are very big strides that will have to be made for the platform to gain widespread acceptance. I have the e-Tron, and while I love it in many ways, it is a car at odds with itself. The ultimate highway car that I would never take on a road trip. I gather that the Tesla charging network is a bit more user friendly, but there are obstacles nonetheless. I'm sold on EVs in many way, but not having an ICE car in the garage to supplement isn't an option yet.
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I agree that charging infrastructure is still in its infancy. I'm confident that over the course of the next 5-10 years, it will be massively built out, if for no other reason due the political will to address all things climate change. Newsom's recent move towards banning the sale of new ICE vehicles in 2035 is a pretty clear indicator.

Before the pandemic I used to make frequent day trips from my home here in OC down to customers in San Diego. No recharging necessary. And Tesla just upped the range of the Model 3 to >350 miles. That kind of endurance covers like 97% of most use cases.
 
Derkderkall said:
The real question...
How much does it take to fill those tanks that can make the drive?
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Even my Subaru Crosstrek can make it in one tank. People with Tesla’s always talking about saving gas in their $60-70,000+ cars. Like I tell them, you paid up front for the gas. My Crosstrek also goes to the top of Gooseberry, frontside and backside. Haven’t seen an EV up there yet.
 
mtbMike said:
Even my Subaru Crosstrek can make it in one tank. People with Tesla’s always talking about saving gas in their $60-70,000+ cars. Like I tell them, you paid up front for the gas. My Crosstrek also goes to the top of Gooseberry, frontside and backside. Haven’t seen an EV up there yet.
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A guy I know likes to brag about not having to pay gas for his Tesla. I asked him how much it costs to charge it on road trips. Using Mammoth as an example he said around $15 for partial charge mid way to Mammoth, $15 once there and $15 on the way back for $40-50 total. That's way cheaper than my truck but not much less than an efficient car of similar size like a Honda or diesel VW or many hybrids that get 40+ mpg. It would be cheaper around town since you can charge at home obviously, but even that isn't free.
 
mtbMike said:
Even my Subaru Crosstrek can make it in one tank. People with Tesla’s always talking about saving gas in their $60-70,000+ cars. Like I tell them, you paid up front for the gas. My Crosstrek also goes to the top of Gooseberry, frontside and backside. Haven’t seen an EV up there yet.
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I never bragged about "saving gas", only saving time - I never have to go to gas stations. But since you brought it up, a Subaru Crosstrek burning $3/gal gas at 30mpg costs $0.10/mile in fuel. A Tesla Model 3 "burning" $0.16/kWh electricity from SoCal Edison at the rate of 280 Wh/mi costs $0.045/mi to drive. At 12K mi/year, that's a $660 annual savings. That easily covers the cost of renting a Ford Escape from Hertz for a weeklong trip to Utah. :)
 
akmoney said:
I never bragged about "saving gas", only saving time - I never have to go to gas stations. But since you brought it up, a Subaru Crosstrek burning $3/gal gas at 30mpg costs $0.10/mile in fuel. A Tesla Model 3 "burning" $0.16/kWh electricity from SoCal Edison at the rate of 280 Wh/mi costs $0.045/mi to drive. At 12K mi/year, that's a $660 annual savings. That easily covers the cost of renting a Ford Escape from Hertz for a weeklong trip to Utah. :)
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$660 huh? Meanwhile I'll keep the other $30K in my pocket and I'll get to Utah faster....and CO....and TX....and beyond. FWIW, we never paid $3.00 for a gallon of gas on our trip to Moab & Fruita last week. The most we paid was our initial fill-up at Costco for $2.83 and we paid $2.08 in Grand Junction where diesel was $1.99 :geek:
 
Faust29 said:
A Tundra would have been my first choice, but I couldn't get past the mileage- especially after having the Jeep with the Hemi that got between 9-11 mpg. :gag:

The RAM gets 25 highway, sometimes a little better.
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Yeah, my '05 Titan got 20mpg at 70mph. I can squeeze 17mpg out of the Tundra. MPG isn't really an issue as we didn't buy it to commute in.
 
mtbMike said:
$660 huh? Meanwhile I'll keep the other $30K in my pocket and I'll get to Utah faster....and CO....and TX....and beyond. FWIW, we never paid $3.00 for a gallon of gas on our trip to Moab & Fruita last week. The most we paid was our initial fill-up at Costco for $2.83 and we paid $2.08 in Grand Junction where diesel was $1.99 :geek:
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I guess that's cool, but I don't live in Grand Junction. I live in SoCal, and gas costs $3/gallon here, well, except for Costco but that means waiting in line along with everyone else.

Like I said, I drive to local trailheads at least 100X more often than I drive to Utah. So for the 99+% of the time, the EV wins. By a huge margin.
 
akmoney said:
I guess that's cool, but I don't live in Grand Junction. I live in SoCal, and gas costs $3/gallon here, well, except for Costco but that means waiting in line along with everyone else.

Like I said, I drive to local trailheads at least 100X more often than I drive to Utah. So for the 99+% of the time, the EV wins. By a huge margin.
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Ya got to believe in the perils of carbon dioxide for your statement to be valid. On the other hand, batteries are nasty too. Oh well. Bicycles win!
 
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