Sierra Club stance on MTB
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Runs with Scissors
iMTB Hooligan
Not all hikers, or equestrians, or even Sierra Club members, are idiots, or evil, or the same. Just as with any group, there are outliers. Some of them are even capable of reasoned dialogue.
Some are just ignorant. Others are misinformed. Still others are stupid. But they are in the minority.
However, and at the risk of sounding naive and credulous, I took an oath, lo these many moons ago, to protect and defend the constitution of the united States (no, it's not a typo: Lowercase u, uppercase S. Free beer to anyone who knows why) against all enemies, foreign and domestic. So who decides who is an enemy of the constitution? Ultimately we all do, as individuals. I don't expect to change minds here, but that doesn't matter. As long as I am willing to accept the consequences of my actions, I am acting as an adult and a model citizen.
I defy anyone to put his/her finger on the part of the constitution that empowers the congress or president to even establish a national forest, much less a wilderness area. Short course: There is no such power granted. Yes, I know that current practice accepts that there is such authority, but that is irrelevant. Bad precedent is still bad precedent, much like the Supreme Court's finding in Dred Scott, later overturned upon the realization that the reasoning (such as it was) behind that decision was flawed.
Decades of poor/bad precedent doesn't make it right.
So the entire premise behind the argument that, somehow, the Wilderness Act must be considered as a valid law, is facetious. When enough of us make that plain to the Congress, it will be overturned. But until then, we get what we deserve.
Couching the argument in terms of battle is unsettling to many, but all too often it is what is required.
Some are just ignorant. Others are misinformed. Still others are stupid. But they are in the minority.
However, and at the risk of sounding naive and credulous, I took an oath, lo these many moons ago, to protect and defend the constitution of the united States (no, it's not a typo: Lowercase u, uppercase S. Free beer to anyone who knows why) against all enemies, foreign and domestic. So who decides who is an enemy of the constitution? Ultimately we all do, as individuals. I don't expect to change minds here, but that doesn't matter. As long as I am willing to accept the consequences of my actions, I am acting as an adult and a model citizen.
I defy anyone to put his/her finger on the part of the constitution that empowers the congress or president to even establish a national forest, much less a wilderness area. Short course: There is no such power granted. Yes, I know that current practice accepts that there is such authority, but that is irrelevant. Bad precedent is still bad precedent, much like the Supreme Court's finding in Dred Scott, later overturned upon the realization that the reasoning (such as it was) behind that decision was flawed.
Decades of poor/bad precedent doesn't make it right.
So the entire premise behind the argument that, somehow, the Wilderness Act must be considered as a valid law, is facetious. When enough of us make that plain to the Congress, it will be overturned. But until then, we get what we deserve.
Couching the argument in terms of battle is unsettling to many, but all too often it is what is required.
Broke and broken
Newbie with Hope!
You sound naive and credulous.
Broke and broken
Newbie with Hope!
Runs with Scissors said:
There's nothing in the constitution about adding territory to the United States either, Amigo. Even Jefferson admitted as much when he bought the midwest. I'm OK with it if you are. Comprende?
Runs with Scissors
iMTB Hooligan
Not gonna hijack the thread. See Article IV Sec 3.
Runs with Scissors
iMTB Hooligan
This is priceless!! Just had a popup telling me that <a class="postlink" href="http://www.sierraclub.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">www.sierraclub.org</a> wanted to know my location...and would I let my system tell them. The answer, of course, was an emphatic "no." That was the only option other than yes, so I had to take it. :lol:
knucklebuster
Well-Known Member
Runs with Scissors said:
I had the same thing and all I could think was Mikie is such a programming jokester :lol:
Voodoo Tom
MTB Addict
Same message popped up on me yesterday. Since there wasn't an F-no or Eat sh!t option I clicked no and it went away, however if they show up at my doorstep I suggest they bring backups and pack a lunch cause it's going to be a long day for them.Runs with Scissors said:
Voodoo Tom
MTB Addict
Yes it really happened. Sorry I'm not tech savvy enough to explain properly and when I saw it I simply could not click no fast enough. If it happens again I'll take a screenshot for you.Mikie said:What the heck are you guys talking about??? A pop up? On this site????
No way! I'm not that clever...did that really happen?
doublewide
iMTB Rockstah
Runs with Scissors said:
Me too! I was laughing pretty hard!
All right, who's the spy?????
mtnbikej
J-Zilla
Mikie said:What the heck are you guys talking about??? A pop up? On this site????
No way! I'm not that clever...did that really happen?
Think maybe it may have something to do with this:
<a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.imtbtrails.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2034#p20376" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2034#p20376</a>
I got the same thing the day this was posted.....Not blaming Burt, but just coincidence?
Mikie
Admin/iMTB Hooligan
burt? Are you an espionage Sierra Club Spy by posting this:
<a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.imtbtrails.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2034#p20376" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2034#p20376</a>
I never actually read what you posted there. Could that have some link in it's background?
Kill that BEAST!
or I will, just in case... :lol:
<a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.imtbtrails.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2034#p20376" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2034#p20376</a>
I never actually read what you posted there. Could that have some link in it's background?
Kill that BEAST!
or I will, just in case... :lol:
Runs with Scissors
iMTB Hooligan
I don't see a legend to explain the different colors and sizes of the bubbles...but I did notice a serious dearth of anything south of, say, Monterey. Except for that boil in San Diego.
burt
Member
mtnbikej said:Mikie said:What the heck are you guys talking about??? A pop up? On this site????
No way! I'm not that clever...did that really happen?
Think maybe it may have something to do with this:
<a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.imtbtrails.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2034#p20376" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2034#p20376</a>
I got the same thing the day this was posted.....Not blaming Burt, but just coincidence?
You are correct, it was me. I knew it would raise the location request, and thought I would use it drive home the issue I brought up in the linked thread. What I didn't realize however, was that it would affect everyone visiting all other threads besides the website one in question. I would have reacted sooner, but I just now stumbled upon this discussion.
I apologize for the confusion, and have removed the offending content.
Andy
Well-Known Member
To paraphrase the League of Gentlemen - "Local trail stuff for local people"
From http://sharemtb.com/event/care-about-our-trails/
From http://sharemtb.com/event/care-about-our-trails/