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Tedroy

Tedroy

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I'm an old JPL homer. Been going there since I was a pup. Born and raised down the stream bed from there. Goofed around in the Tom Sawyer camp as a kid. I know every missing species in that canyon. We had Frogs. Big ones. We had water skeeters that you don't see anymore. There were trout. There were salamanders. There were all manner of insect and microbial life in the lower wateshed that fed migratory birds. It was a perfectly undisturbed urban watershed.

Nowdays the trails behind JPL have become a destination for mountain bikers. I'm a rider too, but I have to vent here. Please be respectful of the trails and everyone you see on them. There are more hikers up in these mountains than bikers. They WILL kick us out if YOU f@ck up. The terrain is really getting ripped up. It's the only mountain we have and it's up to us to protect it. If you shuttle MT Wilson, you had better be Old or Crippled. I have no love for the commercial shuttle f@cks.

NOW: If I see you skidding your downhill bike on my trails I will blow a snotball at you. If you are wearing a full face helmet on my trail, I will accuse you of having a small penis. Be forewarned. ;)

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Stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel.

I too am a lifelong local and that canyon is every bit mine as much as it is yours.

I remember the frogs and the salamanders. Both are still there, you just have to know where to look. They spread out a bit more when we have a regular rainy season (because they are reliant on water) like we just had, and they take cover and lay low when we don't, like we had been having.

See you out there in our canyon...
 
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The shuttle companies have donated money and equipment to our local trail building orgs like MWBA and CORBA.

Unfortunately, people are lazy and tend to look for the easiest way to get what they want-in this case, downhill mtbing without the effort, time, or skill necessary to actually ride up a trail or fireroad.
The increased popularity of our sport as led to a bunch of mediocre riders being dumped atop expert level trails with no recourse but to skid-I've seen them skidding their rear wheels while walking a switchback!
I ride the front range at off-hours in order to avoid the skidiots and no skills stormtroopers.
 
This sucks. Did not realize this forum was a place for threats...

Floop is my local trail.. So many newbies.. But all r welcome....

We saw a knuckle head going up chutes wo helmet and w earplugs... Didnt even hear us when we passed him..
At the top we waited for him to talk.. Gave him some advice... I think he was gettin a little afraid...
Offered to buy him a helmet if he cant afford one..
He was apologectic n said he would ride w helmet in future...

Always gonna have newbies around...
I hate for the mountain to be full of old farts only...
 
konakc said:
This sucks. Did not realize this forum was a place for threats...

Floop is my local trail.. So many newbies.. But all r welcome....

We saw a knuckle head going up chutes wo helmet and w earplugs... Didnt even hear us when we passed him..
At the top we waited for him to talk.. Gave him some advice... I think he was gettin a little afraid...
Offered to buy him a helmet if he cant afford one..
He was apologectic n said he would ride w helmet in future...

Always gonna have newbies around...
I hate for the mountain to be full of old farts only...
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Whoa WHOA WHOA!:eek:
This "Forum" is NOT a place for threats. I have been alerted to this and am asking questions below. I'm confident this is a rant and nothing more...
As the stomach turns.... so are the days of our lives...

@Tedroy ...
I'm going to assume there is a large element of joking in your post.
Taking it for face value outside of our normal imtbtrails banter some are getting the impression that you are serious about some kind of threat.
I'm not actually concerned about snot balls. Small penis (for me) is a given. Rants are fair game here. Tossing in a smiley to let folks know that you are seriously joking is helpful.

We just need to make sure you are not moving towards Cereal Killer...:geek:
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I never shuttle a trail I can ride up, unless it's closed to uphill traffic.

@Tedroy Your anger is delicious (as Dieter says). I do agree that there are many asshat stormtrooper so-called DHers who couldn't give two shits about the condition of a trail, the goodwill of other trail users, or leaving a light impression. And yes, the shuttle companies should sponsor trail restoration days and hound their customers to participate.

Please note - my Avatar is NOT me knocking three hikers off the trail...
 
herzalot said:
I do agree that there are many asshat stormtrooper so-called DHers who couldn't give two shits about the condition of a trail, the goodwill of other trail users...
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Exactly why I climb GMR instead of climbing MTT.:) I always stop on the way down for the people climbing...but most do not. :(

And @herzalot I can't recall if you've ever said you've dropped MTT before, but you'd love it. :thumbsup:
 
Runs with Scissors said:
Exactly why I climb GMR instead of climbing MTT.:) I always stop on the way down for the people climbing...but most do not. :(

And @herzalot I can't recall if you've ever said you've dropped MTT before, but you'd love it. :thumbsup:
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MTT is another great descent that I've seen too many shuttle jockeys on... I remember them looking at me climbing up like I was the crazy one. Well, at least I think they were looking at me. Hard to tell with the stormtrooper masks.


As far as the original post, I got "cranky rant". :p As far as the reality, though, this sport is changing fast. There are things that torque all of us.
 
I shuttle Mt. Wilson and skid my tires when I can get the bike to drift juuuust right. Come on, all youz who can...know what I mean. Also I have climbed to the snack bar for a chili dog from both JPL and the dark side in full storm trooper garb held on with duct tape. Also I pick up trash and maintain trails and consult for the quality of navigable waters. I push buttons and pull levers on Shimano and SRAM and Fox and RockShox products.

I didn't perceive a threat personal or programmatic. I read an expression of frustration and righteousness. I totally understand. My trail belongs to me until someone demonstrates he or she can ride it or build it better; I concede and follow and try to remind those folks (if I can catch them) of what they should or should not be doing.

Slow down for hikers up or down. Move over for horses. Yield to any climbers or faster riders. Call out lines and execute clean passes. Pack in-pack out. If the trail gets blown out, get behind the saddle and trust the bike. If you can't ride it, go to MTT. If you can't ride that, go to Marshall Canyon. Besides, traffic on Itchy-Scratchy and Webb is never an issue.
 
I get the frustration as well. Some of us who care hate seeing trails and areas we love desecrated and dishonored. We want others to enjoy them at their best, and feel bad when they get trashed.

I disagree with putting it all on one user group. Pristine places have been getting destroyed long before the introduction of mountain bikes. Each one of us has the option of being part of the problem, or part of the solution.
 
kioti said:
I get the frustration as well. Some of us who care hate seeing trails and areas we love desecrated and dishonored. We want others to enjoy them at their best, and feel bad when they get trashed.

I disagree with putting it all on one user group. Pristine places have been getting destroyed long before the introduction of mountain bikes. Each one of us has the option of being part of the problem, or part of the solution.
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Not trying to start a shitstorm but I blame strava for the braking grooves in some cases (but not all). Seen the racer boys doing that in a effort to beat their times. It's happened to my local haunt, too.
 
Runs with Scissors said:
Once again...Strava doesn't skid, or cut switchbacks, or start p-lines, or etc, ad nauseam.

Some assh@ts who use Strava do those things.

If you blame an inanimate object for the action taken by a sapient being you will never...ever...solve the problem.

This concludes my irrelevant rant. Carry on. :bang:
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...and if societies cannot or will not dispose of sapient beings acting irresponsibly, the inanimate objects will usually take the blame.
 
STRAVA is an intoxicant for those who use it to compete... Intoxicated people do dumb things.

We need to roll back the clock to no suspension, 7-speed bikes with rim rakes, trying to ride hiking trails. Cateye cyclo-computers for everyone!

Actually, no we don't. I love my uberbikes!

So what were we ranting about again? Oh yeah, lazy, good-for-nothing shuttle monkeys who skid rudely, cut corners and knock people off the trails.

Which brings me to this question - how many of you have shuttled to ride downhill? I have done so repeatedly, but only on trails that one could not possibly ride up. Anyone else? @Cornholio admits to doing so. That makes 2. Anyone else?
 
herzalot said:
STRAVA is an intoxicant for those who use it to compete... Intoxicated people do dumb things.

We need to roll back the clock to no suspension, 7-speed bikes with rim rakes, trying to ride hiking trails. Cateye cyclo-computers for everyone!

Actually, no we don't. I love my uberbikes!

So what were we ranting about again? Oh yeah, lazy, good-for-nothing shuttle monkeys who skid rudely, cut corners and knock people off the trails.

Which brings me to this question - how many of you have shuttled to ride downhill? I have done so repeatedly, but only on trails that one could not possibly ride up. Anyone else? @Cornholio admits to doing so. That makes 2. Anyone else?
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Once. But I didn't inhale. Ok, twice.
 
herzalot said:
STRAVA is an intoxicant for those who use it to compete... Intoxicated people do dumb things.

We need to roll back the clock to no suspension, 7-speed bikes with rim rakes, trying to ride hiking trails. Cateye cyclo-computers for everyone!

Actually, no we don't. I love my uberbikes!

So what were we ranting about again? Oh yeah, lazy, good-for-nothing shuttle monkeys who skid rudely, cut corners and knock people off the trails.

Which brings me to this question - how many of you have shuttled to ride downhill? I have done so repeatedly, but only on trails that one could not possibly ride up. Anyone else? @Cornholio admits to doing so. That makes 2. Anyone else?
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I freely admit that I have never ridden a lift except to inexpertly slide down the hill on skis, because gravity never fails. I cannot call it skiing, since I was lucky not to faceplant in the snow (more than twice, that is). I did not enjoy it.

I can honestly say I'm way too cheap to ever pay money to sit in a lift to get to the top of the mountain. More power to those of you who do...it just ain't me.
 
Runs with Scissors said:
Once again...Strava doesn't skid, or cut switchbacks, or start p-lines, or etc, ad nauseam.

Some assh@ts who use Strava do those things.

If you blame an inanimate object for the action taken by a sapient being you will never...ever...solve the problem.

This concludes my irrelevant rant. Carry on. :bang:
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You're right, I take it back.

People are the problem. How do we get rid of them?
 
herzalot said:
STRAVA is an intoxicant for those who use it to compete... Intoxicated people do dumb things.

We need to roll back the clock to no suspension, 7-speed bikes with rim rakes, trying to ride hiking trails. Cateye cyclo-computers for everyone!

Actually, no we don't. I love my uberbikes!

So what were we ranting about again? Oh yeah, lazy, good-for-nothing shuttle monkeys who skid rudely, cut corners and knock people off the trails.

Which brings me to this question - how many of you have shuttled to ride downhill? I have done so repeatedly, but only on trails that one could not possibly ride up. Anyone else? @Cornholio admits to doing so. That makes 2. Anyone else?
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Heck, I think we should dump the computer age and go back to living in mud huts, growing our own gardens, and hunting for supper with spears or bows and arrows. All technology did was F' up man. Man F'd up by inventing technology.
 
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