Gaaaassss TAX!!!!!!!!!!!!

LLPoolJ said:
So with all the griping, which one of you is gonna step up? There is away! Watching the news, typing on the internet and complaining to your co workers is not the answer and never will be. I can give 2 sh!t's about politics. I understand that as I age things will get more expensive. Been that way since the beginning of time. The main reason I have taken the stance of being an earner and not a saver. No plans on retiring only plan of death some day. Live life where politics have little influence on your life and you will have one less thing to worry about.
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What is your definition of "stepping up"? You build into your business plan because, YOU HAVE A BUSINESS.:rolleyes: Granted there are several on here that own their own business, but I'm going to venture most do not, and are at the mercy of their company's wage increase policies. ...and YES, a burger DOES sound VERY good right now! :laugh:

If all of you are only thinking this is going to affect your gas tank purchases, you are vastly incorrect. We have already alluded to the fact that businesses are going to raise their prices for transportation overhead for yes... even bike parts. :eek:

pperrelle said:
The best way to combat this is with our votes and hopefully most of us on here use that tool, I do. The sad part is that we're so outnumbered at this point in California that our efforts to change are often fruitless.
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Lucky for us, Trump won the election, so I feel some semblance of hope. Shows that our original forefathers had a solid plan to spread representation across the US.
And that is my main concern... Taxation WITHOUT representation. Tarred and feathered says I! Every last one of those no good socialists! ;)
 
Mikie said:
What is your definition of "stepping up"? You build into your business plan because, YOU HAVE A BUSINESS.:rolleyes: Granted there are several on here that own their own business, but I'm going to venture most do not, and are at the mercy of their company's wage increase policies. ...and YES, a burger DOES sound VERY good right now! :laugh:

If all of you are only thinking this is going to affect your gas tank purchases, you are vastly incorrect. We have already alluded to the fact that businesses are going to raise their prices for transportation overhead for yes... even bike parts. :eek:


Lucky for us, Trump won the election, so I feel some semblance of hope. Shows that our original forefathers had a solid plan to spread representation across the US.
And that is my main concern... Taxation WITHOUT representation. Tarred and feathered says I! Every last one of those no good socialists! ;)
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Yea! And pitch forks and torches for the F’n freeloaders! I wonder if the Southern California Associated Governments accounted for illegal immigration or visa violators when it forecasted population in the year 2040 and developed it’s Sustainable Communities Strategy.
 
Answer to @Mikie: Run for office. All these politicians started somewhere.
I never thought I could get out of the corporate world. I watched the way my company was going and decided that it was not good, mind you I was a top employee and was well trusted due honest work. So I searched and found an opportunity and jumped.
Now I am mostly happy with what I do. Turn away business regularly due to time constraints.
My point is everyone here on this board can get out there and kick ass! Those that ride weekly have a leg up already. You get off the couch when many and I mean many don't. If you have an issue with the way people are running things get out there and do something about it. It's not as big of a mountain as you think.
The day may come when my business takes a giant S. But I am totally confident that I will rebound from it and do something better.
Signed very competitive. :sneaky:
 
LLPoolJ said:
Answer to @Mikie: Run for office. All these politicians started somewhere.
I never thought I could get out of the corporate world. I watched the way my company was going and decided that it was not good, mind you I was a top employee and was well trusted due honest work. So I searched and found an opportunity and jumped.
Now I am mostly happy with what I do. Turn away business regularly due to time constraints.
My point is everyone here on this board can get out there and kick ass! Those that ride weekly have a leg up already. You get off the couch when many and I mean many don't. If you have an issue with the way people are running things get out there and do something about it. It's not as big of a mountain as you think.
The day may come when my business takes a giant S. But I am totally confident that I will rebound from it and do something better.
Signed very competitive. :sneaky:
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I’d vote for @Mikie and lobby him to dispose of Edward Scott Pruitt.
 
DangerDirtyD said:
Sustainable Communities Strategy
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Sustainable Communities Strategy. That is a very interesting topic. Clearly, there is no Sustainable Communities Strategy. Not if you have to raise taxes and fees to "sustain" a community. There should be a base flat rate for each wage earning individual in a given community and as the community grows so does your budget. But... when a governing body has to continue to raise taxes and create fee's it tells me they are working outside their budget. I know it's more complicated then that, but does it really have to be?

And I'm right there with you on the free loaders. I don't do well with that. If you don't work, you don't eat. Homeless in my dictionary are permanent loiterer's. It should be illegal, and communities should not have to be plagued by this. Now.. Mikie is not heartless, I believe in a hand up, not a hand out, and I'm not talking about those with mental illness. We need to take care of our sick, but tossing them on the street is not the answer. The rest who choose not to work and earn their keep I have no problem letting them starve.

And further more on my platform for the people....
 
Mikie said:
Sustainable Communities Strategy. That is a very interesting topic. Clearly, there is no Sustainable Communities Strategy. Not if you have to raise taxes and fees to "sustain" a community. There should be a base flat rate for each wage earning individual in a given community and as the community grows so does your budget. But... when a governing body has to continue to raise taxes and create fee's it tells me they are working outside their budget. I know it's more complicated then that, but does it really have to be?

And I'm right there with you on the free loaders. I don't do well with that. If you don't work, you don't eat. Homeless in my dictionary are permanent loiterer's. It should be illegal, and communities should not have to be plagued by this. Now.. Mikie is not heartless, I believe in a hand up, not a hand out, and I'm not talking about those with mental illness. We need to take care of our sick, but tossing them on the street is not the answer. The rest who choose not to work and earn their keep I have no problem letting them starve.

And further more on my platform for the people....
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Something like a quarter to a third of homeless people are mentally ill.

Also, something like a quarter of homeless people are veterans.

Where will the money for mental health services come from?
 
DangerDirtyD said:
Yea! And pitch forks and torches for the F’n freeloaders! I wonder if the Southern California Associated Governments accounted for illegal immigration or visa violators when it forecasted population in the year 2040 and developed it’s Sustainable Communities Strategy.
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And that is what this is all about, influx of all of everybody, Somalies, Guadamalan’s due to hurricane whipping out there country, Mexico, now terrorist when we had almost next to no attacks, just to name a few. Where the hell is everybody sopposed to live! They want us to rent out our rooms and trailers to people who don’t have to work, everybody is living in the street! Just open the gates dumb asses, logic? What logic? It’s not working! No way for America to assimilate to countless ethnic cultures who are not willing to assimilate to what the American people have built! Don’t worry it will get better. There are people in power who are assinged to take this country down, one world is close, America can’t exist for that. And Russia is in your living room! Squeeze it till there is nothing left. @LLPoolJ>Like I can change all of that, it’s to late baby, it’s to late, and most sensible people know that, good on our reality star President of the United States for at least telling the truth, I don’t think he has any time to make a difference because, well you know why! I feel better now unfortunately.
 
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littlewave said:
Something like a quarter to a third of homeless people are mentally ill.

Also, something like a quarter of homeless people are veterans.

Where will the money for mental health services come from?
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Someone will draft a bill citing the need for funding to streamline small business enterprises and use the money for housing the mentally ill next door to you and me. By the way, I’m not all that stable myself, but I’m lucky enough to have a sense of self in conjunction with a little bit of social identity.

Speaking to a banker who wouldn’t let me walk my bike into the branch because if she let me do it, she’d have to let everyone else (most of whom happen to be homeless) do it, and the beginning of each month is busy for banks as hobos gather to cash in their government payouts to the point where the HVAC would be turned on to “air out the place.” Therefore, I conclude at least one-third of homeless people make more money per hour than I do, either through government payouts for their military services, welfare, or panhandling, which is quite lucrative if you look like this:
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DangerDirtyD said:
(most of whom happen to be homeless) do it, and the beginning of each month is busy for banks as hobos gather to cash in their government payouts to the point where the HVAC would be turned on to “air out the place.” Therefore, I conclude at least one-third of homeless people make more money per hour than I do, either through government payouts for their military services, welfare, or panhandling, which is quite lucrative if you look like this:View attachment 33326
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Aren't government employees payed electronically? Those secretary's wear the nastiest perfume!
 
littlewave said:
Something like a quarter to a third of homeless people are mentally ill.

Also, something like a quarter of homeless people are veterans.

Where will the money for mental health services come from?
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First, I would need to see facts, not “something like” figures...

Easy! By NOT paying out government checks to the homeless by choice. By not giving EBT cards to those capable of working but choose not to. By eliminating Section 8 abusers, by not footing the bill for healthcare or providing our education system to illegal aliens, by not funding scientific studies via grant money to find out if fish can get drunk, by taking away the free Obama’s phones (it’s a priveledge, not a right), by cracking down on WIC abusers, by not making bad international deals like the nuke deal with Iran, by not footing the UN Bill, or supplement foreign countries to sustain their economy, by building fair trade deals where we actually come out on top, should I go on? etc, etc, etc.
 
Mikie said:
First, I would need to see facts, not “something like” figures...
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https://mentalillnesspolicy.org/consequences/homeless-mentally-ill.html

You can read up there and decide for yourself where the percentage is but for the sake of this argument “something like a quarter” seems sufficient.

Mikie said:
Easy! By NOT paying out government checks to the homeless by choice.
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I don’t even know what you mean. All government “checks”?? Where are your facts? Or is that a one way street?

Mikie said:
By not giving EBT cards to those capable of working but choose not to.
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Where are your facts? I know this ain’t raw data but take a read here: http://mashable.com/2015/07/27/welfare-myths-debunked/#7J.WxrC7pZqu

Mikie said:
By eliminating Section 8 abusers,
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Facts?

http://nlihc.org/sites/default/files/HousingSpotlight2-2.pdf

Mikie said:
by not footing the bill for healthcare or providing our education system to illegal aliens,
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Facts?

Not aimed at healthcare or education necessarily but an interesting read nonetheless:
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/undocumented-immigrants-and-taxes/499604/

How about we institute a reasonable guest worker visa program? They can pay some (more) taxes, we can still have someone to clean our homes/offices and pick all that food up in that big valley north of you.

Mikie said:
by not funding scientific studies via grant money to find out if fish can get drunk,
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Facts? I’m sure it sounds silly, and there are probably grants that are a waste, and maybe whatever study you’re referring to was a waste of grant money, but cutting funding for research seems shortsighted to me.

Mikie said:
by taking away the free Obama’s phones (it’s a priveledge, not a right)
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Hmmm. https://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/cellphone.asp

But! http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/29/obamaphone-program-riddled-fraud-audit/

Alright. I think I’ll stop there. Clearly where there’s fraud in these programs we should be working to reduce it, we agree on that. Beyond that I think there’s some interesting reading in those links.
 
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Also I’d normally try to stay out of this stuff and postmbike stuff but I’m still two weeks out from the all clear from hernia doc!

To keep it gas tax related, I’ll be back to commuting by bike as often as possible once I get the all clear from the doctor.
 
Coincidentally today I calculated via the California Emissions Estimator Model (CalEEMod) version 2016.3.2 the amount of fuel it would take to construct 489 dwelling units on 136 acres in a nearby municipality pursuant to Appendix F of the California Encironmental Quality Act. This includes use of heavy equipment onsite in addition to worker commutes to and from the site. Construction from site prep to rough grading to building construction to paving to architectural coatings will take approximately 700 “business days” and consume 283,400 gallons of diesel fuel for onsite heavy equipment and 340,930 gallons of [mostly] gasoline for crews to go/from the site.

Operation of the joint is estimated to generate 3,700 averagye daily trips, each grossly underestimated to be approximately 8.6 miles in length (for the sake of projecting criteria pollutant emissions to be below SCAQMD thresholds of significance) at an average MPG of just over 25. Therefore, daily fuel consumption would be a little less than 1,300 gallons per day.

489 dwelling units would house approximately 2,000 people.
 
DangerDirtyD said:
Coincidentally today I calculated via the California Emissions Estimator Model (CalEEMod) version 2016.3.2 the amount of fuel it would take to construct 489 dwelling units on 136 acres in a nearby municipality pursuant to Appendix F of the California Encironmental Quality Act. This includes use of heavy equipment onsite in addition to worker commutes to and from the site. Construction from site prep to rough grading to building construction to paving to architectural coatings will take approximately 700 “business days” and consume 283,400 gallons of diesel fuel for onsite heavy equipment and 340,930 gallons of [mostly] gasoline for crews to go/from the site.

Operation of the joint is estimated to generate 3,700 averagye daily trips, each grossly underestimated to be approximately 8.6 miles in length (for the sake of projecting criteria pollutant emissions to be below SCAQMD thresholds of significance) at an average MPG of just over 25. Therefore, daily fuel consumption would be a little less than 1,300 gallons per day.

489 dwelling units would house approximately 2,000 people.
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My brain hurts.
 
DangerDirtyD said:
Coincidentally today I calculated via the California Emissions Estimator Model (CalEEMod) version 2016.3.2 the amount of fuel it would take to construct 489 dwelling units on 136 acres in a nearby municipality pursuant to Appendix F of the California Encironmental Quality Act. This includes use of heavy equipment onsite in addition to worker commutes to and from the site. Construction from site prep to rough grading to building construction to paving to architectural coatings will take approximately 700 “business days” and consume 283,400 gallons of diesel fuel for onsite heavy equipment and 340,930 gallons of [mostly] gasoline for crews to go/from the site.

Operation of the joint is estimated to generate 3,700 averagye daily trips, each grossly underestimated to be approximately 8.6 miles in length (for the sake of projecting criteria pollutant emissions to be below SCAQMD thresholds of significance) at an average MPG of just over 25. Therefore, daily fuel consumption would be a little less than 1,300 gallons per day.

489 dwelling units would house approximately 2,000 people.
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littlewave said:
To keep it gas tax related, I’ll be back to commuting by bike as often as possible once I get the all clear from the doctor.
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Doesn't matter. Even if you DON'T DRIVE YOUR CAR they have you hammered.

This "gas tax" is of course just one part of their entire "vehicle tax" program. It will cost me an extra $100 per year... because my Tesla is an electric vehicle charged 100% by my solar panels. And $250 per year... because my Tesla is worth over $65,000. So there ya go - $350 extra taxes per year for a solar car that could just sit in my garage for all they care. Then of course my other vehicles will get the higher gas tax... so they can build a high-speed rail line through the central valley that no one will use.

If they took the money for the rail line and applied it to roads... all deferred maintenance paid for and no increase vehicle tax.

They just keep making that house in Nevada cheaper and cheaper...
 
BonsaiNut said:
If they took the money for the rail line and applied it to roads... all deferred maintenance paid for and no increase vehicle tax.
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The proposition authorizing the bond sale for $9 BILLION for the slow train to/from nowhere was specific. Can't use the money for anything else. Unless, of course, you can get a prop on the ballot and get it passed, to reuse the funding for road repair.:thumbsup:

The FTA funding on the project cannot be repurposed absent an act of congress. Literally.
 
SnakeCharmer said:
I am expecting to see a decrease in vehicles on the road. That was the one good thing about higher gas prices.
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I think that depends where you live. Alot of people commute from far distances and have to use a car. So maybe a more fuel efficient vehicle. I have a truck but my wife had an Accord but she rarely lets me drive it out of town, even though it would cost less to do so.
 
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