Cuz the 240s Needed to be better?

mike said:
Does instant engagement allow you to: Clean rough uphills more easily? Save energy over the course of a ride? Feel more controled underfoot?

What about the ride quality makes the i9 superior? Please don't say more POE... :)
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Do more “Points of Engagement” :sneaky: make technical/rough uphills easier....not if you keep pedaling. As long as you are pedaling, pints are irrelevant. Restarting pedaling, they do make some difference. However most people generally don’t stop pedaling while going up technical climbs. :ninja:
 
The Hope Pro 2's on my E29 are 42 POE. Plenty for me. The Sram 900 on my spare wheel (I need to build that) is 52. More than enough. The Stans Neo Ultimate were 72, and were really nice to have in an XC race on a hardtail.

I occasionally have to ratchet on tech stuff with a lowish BB, and the full squish compressing on stuff, even then 42 is plenty. But that may not be for everyone.
 
mtnbikej said:
Do more “Points of Engagement” :sneaky: make technical/rough uphills easier....not if you keep pedaling. As long as you are pedaling, pints are irrelevant. Restarting pedaling, they do make some difference. However most people generally don’t stop pedaling while going up technical climbs. :ninja:
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Not my experience. Technical climbs (rock stairs/steps or direction adjustments) require momentary pauses between pushes on the cranks to stall out for a micro second (AZ tech, probably Utah tech as well). That's where fast engagement shines.
 
mtnbikej said:
... most people generally don’t stop pedaling while going up technical climbs. :ninja:
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They do if they are about to strike a pedal!



And as for high PoE, the drag is noticeable on any section of coasting, especially coming off a much faster hub. I am sure your expectations adjust, but jump on a Star ratchet 36 DT Swiss and coast on a gentle grade next to your buddy on his i9s. You won't for long, because you will pull away very, very quickly. I'd rather have the faster, more reliable hub that makes a difference every ride than the one time in every five rides that I could use faster engagement.
 
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herzalot said:
They do if they are about to strike a pedal!



And as for high PoE, the drag is noticeable on any section of coasting, especially coming off a much faster hub. I am sure your expectations adjust, but jump on a Star ratchet 36 DT Swiss and coast on a gentle grade next to your buddy on his i9s. You won't for long, because you will pull away very, very quickly. I'd rather have the faster, more reliable hub that makes a difference every ride than the one time in every five rides that I could use faster engagement.
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@Faust29 and I will put your theory to the test soon on some DH pavement. He with his DTs, me with my i9s. May the faster hub win....

Of course, we won't take into account all of the factors that can effect the results.
 
SnakeCharmer said:
That’s where I am headed next when these uber sloppy 120 “POE” (@mike’s favorite phrase) i9 hubs blow up.
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My buddy has one and loves it.

Stkx66 said:
Instant? Yes, but when you push down on the pedals there is a bit of " loading " before your power is applied to the wheel or drive system. Onyx hubs will feel weird to a new user. Still, I like mine because they're quiet.
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Just, different...

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mike said:
What's the reliability factor? Cost ranks low for me on hubs. Reliability is #1. I strayed once and regretted it.
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I have had 3 pairs, I currently have two sets. One pair is 5 years old and the only problem I’ve had was a pawl broke on the freehub.

Parts are readily available at the Bike Hub Store or any bike shop with a J&B account. The Origin8 hubs are rebranded Bitex hubs. Also like DT Swiss, the hubs come with axle adapters.
 
Danmtchl said:
I have had 3 pairs, I currently have two sets. One pair is 5 years old and the only problem I’ve had was a pawl broke on the freehub.

Parts are readily available at the Bike Hub Store or any bike shop with a J&B account. The Origin8 hubs are rebranded Bitex hubs. Also like DT Swiss, the hubs come with axle adapters.
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Got ya, thanks.

Seeing DT Swiss doesn’t use pawls, that won’t happen. “Parts readily available” is not confidence inspiring to me. A hub failure once in five years is too often for a light and careful rider like me. Getting hosed in the middle of a multi-day ride by a failed hub...I’ll happily pay a premium to avert that. Especially during bad times for hitchhiking.
 
mike said:
Got ya, thanks.

Seeing DT Swiss doesn’t use pawls, that won’t happen. “Parts readily available” is not confidence inspiring to me. A hub failure once in five years is too often for a light and careful rider like me. Getting hosed in the middle of a multi-day ride by a failed hub...I’ll happily pay a premium to avert that. Especially during bad times for hitchhiking.
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DT's lower level 370 Hubs have traditional three pawl type engagement. I've never broken one, but the potential is there.
 
mtnbikej said:
Do more “Points of Engagement” :sneaky: make technical/rough uphills easier....not if you keep pedaling. As long as you are pedaling, pints are irrelevant. Restarting pedaling, they do make some difference. However most people generally don’t stop pedaling while going up technical climbs. :ninja:
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Oh, stop that. You just shot holes in all the marketing materials! :p

I'll stick with 36... No desire to go more.
 
Cyclotourist said:
DT's lower level 370 Hubs have traditional three pawl type engagement. I've never broken one, but the potential is there.
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@mike, that’s the hub you were abusing while SMASHing through the Rockys, Transverse, and Peninsular ranges. It’s primed for back-up deployment in La Verne when called upon. @rossage , what hub did you destroy exiting Echo Canyon in Death Valley?
 
rossage said:
That was a DT Onyx, now called the 370. Freehub failure. One of the three pawls cracked.
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Funny how they work… Until they don’t. After destroying three Bontrager rhythm pro hubs (either cracking the free hub body or smithering prawls) within 2 months’ time, my LBS built a rhythm pro scandium wheel with a DT350 hub and added the 36 star ratchet as a “courtesy” for not recognizing the schwaggyness of the Bonty hub circa 2015. It’s too bad I don’t ride enough to put the DT 350 to good use, especially since it’s on a 26er.
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mike said:
Got ya, thanks.

Seeing DT Swiss doesn’t use pawls, that won’t happen. “Parts readily available” is not confidence inspiring to me. A hub failure once in five years is too often for a light and careful rider like me. Getting hosed in the middle of a multi-day ride by a failed hub...I’ll happily pay a premium to avert that. Especially during bad times for hitchhiking.
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I have never been hosed in a middle of a ride, just noticed it when servicing the hub. DT Swiss has parts readily available also, so is that confidence inspiring? Well in your book, no. So I will stick with my confident and reliable hubs that have never failed me, ever.
 
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SnakeCharmer said:
Well, I pulled away from Steve today on the DH pavement but I was tucked and I don't know if he was. However, Ross pulled away from me with his Specialized/DT hubs and he was tucked as well.

So, the mystery continues...
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It's not a mystery - i9s are slow.

EDIT at @SnakeCharmer's request:

It's not a mystery, i9s are slower than hubs with less engagement. Which is almost every hub. It's science! :thumbsup:
 
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