Flooding in NC

My home town of Waynesville, which is about 25 miles SW of Asheville, was hit really hard. Luckily my parents' home is on high ground so they aren't/weren't in any actual danger from floods, and they maintained power. But no cell, internet, or cable service. Cell service is almost entirely down across the region. Boil water orders are in affect. I'm part of a facebook group from my hometown and right now it's a constant series of posts from out of town friends and relatives asking for info on people that haven't been heard from in a couple of days, and who are physically cut off because of washed out roads. Crazy stuff.
 
Was going to ask you how it was going there!
We're good - our property is more or less flood-proof, and we never even lost power (which wouldn't have mattered anyway, since we have a generator). Our lake is huge (more than 50 sq miles) so it doesn't flood easily, and when it gets to full pond, they open the sluice gates and starting spilling the excess.

However some of the mountain towns were devastated. There was just nowhere for the water to go but through towns - ripping up roads and bridges as it went. They have closed Interstate 40 from Statesville (straight north of Charlotte) all the way west to the Tennessee border. That's 150 miles of highway closure - because they don't want people trying to get into the mountains.

Right now they are flying food and supplies in via helicopter. Our local airport has been set up as a relief hub, and they are taking supplies and air-lifting them in.
 
Lake Lure before:

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Lake Lure today:
 
We're good - our property is more or less flood-proof, and we never even lost power (which wouldn't have mattered anyway, since we have a generator). Our lake is huge (more than 50 sq miles) so it doesn't flood easily, and when it gets to full pond, they open the sluice gates and starting spilling the excess.

However some of the mountain towns were devastated. There was just nowhere for the water to go but through towns - ripping up roads and bridges as it went. They have closed Interstate 40 from Statesville (straight north of Charlotte) all the way west to the Tennessee border. That's 150 miles of highway closure - because they don't want people trying to get into the mountains.

Right now they are flying food and supplies in via helicopter. Our local airport has been set up as a relief hub, and they are taking supplies and air-lifting them in.
Yeah watching the national news tonight some really incredible damage. I guess the governor said one in a thousand years event!
 
Well... we are very fortunate we're not in the mountains. Even so, Duke Energy has closed all public boat access to our lake, and asked all property owners to stay off the water while they clean up. The lake has never been so quiet... (from 30 minutes ago)

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Is this your lake and current condition? Is so, what is there to clean up? ....and what authority does an energy company have telling you to stay off the lake?

An ex co-worker of mine at San Diego PD left and went to the FBI in the late 90's. He is now in charge of Duke Energy's security division.
 
Is this your lake and current condition? Is so, what is there to clean up? ....and what authority does an energy company have telling you to stay off the lake?

An ex co-worker of mine at San Diego PD left and went to the FBI in the late 90's. He is now in charge of Duke Energy's security division.
If Duke owns the reservoir - just as SCE owns Edison, Florence, Huntington, Shaver, etc - then they have every right to control access.
 
If Duke owns the reservoir - just as SCE owns Edison, Florence, Huntington, Shaver, etc - then they have every right to control access.

I had no idea SCE "owned" any lakes/reservoirs, etc....and even if I did know, it seems odd to me to live "on" a lake and then be able to be told you can not use it. I wonder if there is any limit to this authority?
 
I had no idea SCE "owned" any lakes/reservoirs, etc....and even if I did know, it seems odd to me to live "on" a lake and then be able to be told you can not use it. I wonder if there is any limit to this authority?
Why wouldn't a governing authority be it public or private be able to say "conditions will not allow safe usage of this body of water right now. Please stay off?" I guess it depends a bit on the size of the body of water. Hard to do that with Lake Michigan I suppose.
 
Why wouldn't a governing authority be it public or private be able to say "conditions will not allow safe usage of this body of water right now. Please stay off?" I guess it depends a bit on the size of the body of water. Hard to do that with Lake Michigan I suppose.
Like eBikes aren't allowed in OC wilderness parks. you can tell them and post it, but doesn't mean they'll listen or care.

My heart goes out to all those effected by this storm, it is devastating to some.
 
....and what authority does an energy company have telling you to stay off the lake?
Duke energy owns the lake bottom, the lake water, and the shoreline (they bought all the land for the lake 100 years ago). They also approve all construction within 50' of the 760' line (which is the water elevation at full pond). They used to own all the land around the lake, and when they sold it for private development, all private development had to agree to this restriction of use. We own our dock (it came with the house), Duke permitted its placement on lake water after they approved engineering and design. If we do something bad (like mess with the shoreline, or make significant unapproved changes to our dock), Duke can revoke the permit and decide not to give us a new one for a few years. That fear is normally enough to get people to treat the lakeshore responsibly - which the vast majority of people do. Over the years, they have become more restrictive with what they will approve - requiring larger lots if you are on septic - and banning further construction of boat-houses and over-the-water enclosed docks.

There is a grey area when it comes to public lake access. There are a number of public boat launches / boat ramps and Duke doesn't own them, but they work with local authorities to manage access for public safety (they are typically owned by the counties). Likewise there is a boat launch in the state park where the same situation applies - and private marinas usually have boat launches.

This is the first time in the 60 year history of the lake that Duke has closed the public boat ramps (by asking local authorities to close them). They have also asked the marinas and private property owners to voluntarily not launch boats for a few days - to minimize damage to the shoreline, and allow clean-up and emergency personnel free access to the waters without worrying about recreational users. I have to admit - since the word went out, I would say 99% of boaters have voluntarily stayed off the lake.

Sad sidebar - there are many times when emergency personnel are trying to work on the lake, and they are hampered by stupid/drunk boaters. Several times this summer search and recovery were looking for drowning victims, and despite lights flashing and dive flags waving, they couldn't keep boaters away and had to pull divers from the water. These tend to be in shallower areas of the lake (sandbars, etc) where many people congregate to party and swim - and it is dangerous for divers to be in the water with people approaching in big cabin cruisers.

I will say - I have no issues with anything Duke has done with lake management. They tend to manage things with a light touch. However if you decide you are going to cut down every mature tree on your shoreline and put in an unapproved seawall, they will happily take you to court to force you to undo all the damage - and you will lose - as several high profile cases over the years have shown. Additionally, there are stretches of shoreline that are protected for environmental reasons, and even if you are allowed to build a house there you will never be allowed to build anything along the shoreline, or have a dock.
 
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I had no idea SCE "owned" any lakes/reservoirs, etc....and even if I did know, it seems odd to me to live "on" a lake and then be able to be told you can not use it. I wonder if there is any limit to this authority?

Big Creek Hydroelectric Project, started in 1911. It's an interesting history, if you're interested:

 
SCE has a kinetic energy machine. in the daytime they release water to power the turbines. At night they push the water uphill. They have many tunnels in solid granite. you may recal the Helms Creek incident
 
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If Duke owns the reservoir - just as SCE owns Edison, Florence, Huntington, Shaver, etc - then they have every right to control access.
Yes, Edison owns the lakes, but not the water.
Management is by Bureau of Reclamation, which oversees all the water.
When I was with Madera Irrigation District (MID), Edison would pay MID for the water going into the hydroelectric power stations, then MID would pay Edison for the water comming out of the power stations.
I did get to see the hydroelectric power stations along the Edison route, along the Madera Canal, and a tour inside of the Friant dam at Millerton Lake
 
As I remember, a big part of the need for Diablo Canyon Nuclear plant was to use its' overnight baseline load to pump that water back uphill.

That would be strange, since Diablo Canyon is PG&E and Big Creek is SCE.

Not saying you're wrong, but it seems unlikely given the ownership of each.
 
By the way - I just wanted to add that Duke wants people to protect the shoreline - so they will usually approve shoreline protection projects and even shoreline dredging. You just need to get approval first. Usually they will approve 1 dock per 100' of shoreline (minimum). If you have less than 100' of shoreline, they might approve one, but it depends. If you have more than 200' of shoreline, you can usually build a larger dock, or even have two docks. The key is getting the approval and the permit. You won't be able to get anyone to build you a dock without a permit, regardless, since the dock builders are all much more interested in staying on Duke's good side than they are in building a single non-permitted structure on the lake that could get them in a world of trouble.

And now you know more about docks and lake access than 95% of the people who actually live here, LOL!
 
That would be strange, since Diablo Canyon is PG&E and Big Creek is SCE.

Not saying you're wrong, but it seems unlikely given the ownership of each.
I maybe mixing things up then. It would be the big PG&E project up in the Sierras. I grew up in the Bay Area and miss the old brown and yellow trucks they had back then. "Branding" changed them to blue.
 
If Duke owns the reservoir - just as SCE owns Edison, Florence, Huntington, Shaver, etc - then they have every right to control access.
Glad to hear you're doing fine out in NC.

My son's Scout Troop did a summer camp on Shaver Lake at Camp Chawanakee back in '05. It was like camping at the Taj Mahal for us. Edison created one of the nicest camps we'd ever been to and it was COMPLETELY ELECTRIFIED. Every mess hall, rest room, stage, etc. was fully lighted. They had just sponsored a new building to be used for the new to us, Computer Merit Badge. From memory, there were about 30, brand new desktops (way better than ours at home) for the boys to use. The camp leadership always stressed how fortunate they were to have such nice amenities. I never did find the beer fridge....
 
I never did find the beer fridge....
I will have to take photos next time I'm by the campground in the state park. Beautiful camp sites, dispersed, many of which are on/above the lake. Camp showers, decent bathrooms, potable water, electrical hookups, and they recently upgraded some of the sites to have small bunk cabins with A/C :)

Best of all is the sign as you leave the campground. "No alcohol allowed outside the campground" which is a departure from all the camping I did on the west coast where there were signs everywhere prohibiting alcohol.

Add to this that the state just spent $1.1 million buying another 30 acres to add to the park and protect it from encroaching residential development.
 
Got an update from Lake Norman state park and the trails group that I belong to (we help maintain the trails in the park).

We have a work day scheduled for Sunday to assess trail damage, so we will be walking all the trails (30.5 miles) and reporting back on any major maintenance issues that cannot be handled with hand saws/shovels. There is only one ranger working the park atm - and they only let us into the park to help because they know us. All the other rangers have been sent west to help out.

The state park is closed because it is being used as a forward logistics center for bigger work that is being done to the west. Additionally they are using the camp ground and the cabins as recuperation areas for state park employees who are working up in the mountains without power or running water and will get rotated out of the mountains to spend a few days recovering.
 
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