Whiting Crash...

Faust29

Faust29

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Heal up fast...


https://patch.com/california/lakeforest-ca/injured-bicyclist-airlifted-lake-forest-park

LAKE FOREST, CA — A bicycle crash in the Whiting Ranch Wilderness Park left one person injured on Tuesday, according to Orange County Fire Authority.

The emergency call came in just after 3 p.m, notifying OCFA of his location on Serrano Trail, according to OCFA Capt. Larry Kurtz.

"A male bicyclist was riding Serrano Trail in Whiting Ranch when he crashed. He was able to use his cell phone to call 9-1-1 after his fall," Kurtz. "In order to not exacerbate his injuries, he was airlifted and went directly to an area hospital with OCFA medics."

His injuries were minor, and non-life threatening according to Kurtz.
 
Healing vibes, brother!

More evidence that helo extracts are being used more frequently for non-life or limb threatening injuries. Traumatic nonetheless. Best wishes to our two-wheeled friend. I hope it wasn't my friend Scott, but I think I would have heard by now.
 
More people riding, more people crashing. Eventually Darwin will sort them out and the fad will pass, much like country line dancing or cigar smoking did. Then only those who do it because they truly enjoy it will remain. :thumbsup:
 
Runs with Scissors said:
More people riding, more people crashing. Eventually Darwin will sort them out and the fad will pass, much like country line dancing or cigar smoking did. Then only those who do it because they truly enjoy it will remain. :thumbsup:
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I've had a lot of friends tell me they want to "get into mtn biking" because they hear of my rides and see my passion for it and they ask about a good cheap starter bike. I always tell them the truth and say that it's a big commitment in many ways aside from money and give them an idea of what I've spent over the past 5 years. My buddy the other day was asking and when I showed him some bikes that would work for a starter bike he sent me a text saying he's over it, too expensive. These were $1k used bikes and that's too much but going out every weekend and out of town for party trips is ok to drop serious money on for him.... um, ok.. Aside from the money it's a painful hobby that requires a bit of consistency to keep on it. I just don't even bring up riding to friends I know wouldn't commit to it.

When people start bashing how expensive bikes are I'll point out that they spend a ton on their current hobbies so what's the difference? Golfer friend says I'm crazy to spend $7k on a bike yet they have $2k+ in golf equipment and spend hundreds a month on green fees and drinks on the course. Same guy I mentioned before who said he was over it has $1.5k+ in snowboard gear and is ok with dropping $100 each time he goes along with a lot more $ for gas and lodging etc.

Anyways, I've seen several come and go quickly after buying decent bikes but just not enjoying the pain of riding or maintenance of a bike. Hopefully most of those buying those motor bikes will fall into this category.

Wow, what a tangent. Back to talking about heli rides out of local parks!
 
What happened to the time-honored responsibility of self-rescue? Ah yes, this is namby pamby OC, where if you get a blister, they pluck you with a helo to "avoid further injury." A few-hour hobble to the car would benefit most of these softies.

We all pay for this. If I sustain a minor injury that requires my self-extraction, keep that f@cking helo away from me and let me finish my job.
 
Cornholio said:
I've had a lot of friends tell me they want to "get into mtn biking" because they hear of my rides and see my passion for it and they ask about a good cheap starter bike. I always tell them the truth and say that it's a big commitment in many ways aside from money and give them an idea of what I've spent over the past 5 years. My buddy the other day was asking and when I showed him some bikes that would work for a starter bike he sent me a text saying he's over it, too expensive. These were $1k used bikes and that's too much but going out every weekend and out of town for party trips is ok to drop serious money on for him.... um, ok.. Aside from the money it's a painful hobby that requires a bit of consistency to keep on it. I just don't even bring up riding to friends I know wouldn't commit to it.

When people start bashing how expensive bikes are I'll point out that they spend a ton on their current hobbies so what's the difference? Golfer friend says I'm crazy to spend $7k on a bike yet they have $2k+ in golf equipment and spend hundreds a month on green fees and drinks on the course. Same guy I mentioned before who said he was over it has $1.5k+ in snowboard gear and is ok with dropping $100 each time he goes along with a lot more $ for gas and lodging etc.

Anyways, I've seen several come and go quickly after buying decent bikes but just not enjoying the pain of riding or maintenance of a bike. Hopefully most of those buying those motor bikes will fall into this category.

Wow, what a tangent. Back to talking about heli rides out of local parks!
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Well said!
 
mike said:
What happened to the time-honored responsibility of self-rescue? Ah yes, this is namby pamby OC, where if you get a blister, they pluck you with a helo to "avoid further injury." A few-hour hobble to the car would benefit most of these softies.

We all pay for this. If I sustain a minor injury that requires my self-extraction, keep that f@cking helo away from me and let me finish my job.
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I'll tell my friend she should have refused service and walked out! :thumbsup: o_O
 
One thing that hasn't been brought up yet.....

A lot of these injured riders are not calling 911 on their own. It is usually an outsider who happens upon them or someone in their riding group panicks.

Usually the rider doesn't call for air lift. You call 911 and say you are out in the park trails, the dispatcher sends the helicopter as it usually arrives before the others, including the rangers. Once the helicopter shows up, most likely uuu getting a ride.
 
Beacon... or bacon?

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Runs with Scissors said:
More people riding, more people crashing. Eventually Darwin will sort them out and the fad will pass, much like country line dancing or cigar smoking did. Then only those who do it because they truly enjoy it will remain. :thumbsup:
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True....also, unlike many other sports where folks readily pay for lessons (i.e. golf, skiing...),newbies figure they already know how to ride a bike so why bother with seeking instruction, either from an individual or online. I read a book by Brian Lopes, Mastering Mt Biking Skills, and I learned a lot (but I'm still a sucky rider).
 
emejay said:
True....also, unlike many other sports where folks readily pay for lessons (i.e. golf, skiing...),newbies figure they already know how to ride a bike so why bother with seeking instruction, either from an individual or online. I read a book by Brian Lopes, Mastering Mt Biking Skills, and I learned a lot (but I'm still a sucky rider).
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I have that book and although useful I don't think mountain biking is learned through reading nearly as much through physically doing. I've seen many uncomfortable riders drop Chutes at Oaks with a friend there egging them on. Heck, I saw a dude probably in his 50's, who looked like he was just learning how to ride a bike let alone ride trails, tumble down Chutes in a cartwheel after following 12+ riders in what looked like one of those big Meetup huge group rides. When I am taking someone on a ride who is in need of "coaching" I keep their ability in mind. I feel like I see a lot more riders on some of the rowdier trails that are a bit over their head than I used to, Instagram dude!

That being said, I definitely think lessons/coaching are a plus like in other sports. I went to camps and had private coaches for a variety of sports growing up and you see huge benefits from that at the competitive level. For noob riders I think a basics class would be good from the get go. I took a skills session with Lee McCormicks school and found it helpful as a more experienced rider to get that feedback from someone watching you.
 
In many cases, the problem is us. We mtb-ers tend to downplay how challenging a trail might be to us (Oh Stair Steps in Aliso is easy, barely intermediate...). So we tell rank beginners with no gravity sports experience of any kind that Whiting is easy, or Aliso has beginner trails. What looks like a little dip or pebble in the trail to us can be very frightening to a beginner. Make it steep, rutted and add slippery dirt and you've got your recipe for lots of crashing.

When encouraging newbs, we need to see the world through their eyes, not ours.

Side note - it's easy to see the riders who have no clue. They are seated when coasting, with one leg down in the 6 O'clock position. If a rider is seated while coasting, he/she needs an immediate lesson.
 
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Lot of good content on this page. @herzalot is dead on.

I think many of us are good trail guides, although it's easy to forget what it was like or how much effort it takes.

I am very cautious when I take newbs or progressing riders. Some of my worse fear is talking fit folks from other sports out, as they think "I used to ride a bike" and the might even be able to climb..but then the got to go down.. and it's "Scary"./ Got know clue. I also think the equipment is so much better when many if us started it Hurt / scary to go 15mph on hard a$$ squirley bike now you don't even feel it.

Hey me.. like many if you ... 2 ride / walkout that required cast / surgery / rehab.

OTOH been at 2 very a needed help evacs, do seem to be a bit too often.
 
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