The weather no one is telling you about...

BonsaiNut

BonsaiNut

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Not sure what the deal is, but our weather forecasters / reporters are asleep.

I'm sure many of you have noticed how warm and humid it has been this year, and saw the notice of July being the hottest month ever recorded in the history of California.

It is not so much due to the daily HIGHS being that hot... it is the daily LOWS that are running anywhere from 5 to 10 degrees warmer than normal, with much higher humidity than average. I have definitely noticed this because I usually bike at dawn to avoid the heat - and I walk outside at 5:30 and the temps are already 70+ (even when the craptastic weather forecast tells us it is going to get down to 64).

Well at least some of it is due to ocean temps breaking records. The Pacific Ocean is warmer than it has ever been in many places along the coast. Earlier this month it was almost 80 degrees (!) down in San Diego.

Why isn't anyone talking about this?
 
Because it's fake news, obviously? :cautious:

There's been lots of talk about ocean temps down here. They did go above 80. Hadn't heard so much about low temps not being as low, but that shouldn't be a surprise when high temps are higher.
 
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BonsaiNut said:
Not sure what the deal is, but our weather forecasters / reporters are asleep.

I'm sure many of you have noticed how warm and humid it has been this year, and saw the notice of July being the hottest month ever recorded in the history of California.

It is not so much due to the daily HIGHS being that hot... it is the daily LOWS that are running anywhere from 5 to 10 degrees warmer than normal, with much higher humidity than average. I have definitely noticed this because I usually bike at dawn to avoid the heat - and I walk outside at 5:30 and the temps are already 70+ (even when the craptastic weather forecast tells us it is going to get down to 64).

Well at least some of it is due to ocean temps breaking records. The Pacific Ocean is warmer than it has ever been in many places along the coast. Earlier this month it was almost 80 degrees (!) down in San Diego.

Why isn't anyone talking about this?
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That’s all anyone is talking about where I am. It was a hot July.

NWS says there’s a good chance of an El Niño winter by the way. So prepare for drama.
 
BonsaiNut said:
Not sure what the deal is, but our weather forecasters / reporters are asleep.

I'm sure many of you have noticed how warm and humid it has been this year, and saw the notice of July being the hottest month ever recorded in the history of California.

It is not so much due to the daily HIGHS being that hot... it is the daily LOWS that are running anywhere from 5 to 10 degrees warmer than normal, with much higher humidity than average. I have definitely noticed this because I usually bike at dawn to avoid the heat - and I walk outside at 5:30 and the temps are already 70+ (even when the craptastic weather forecast tells us it is going to get down to 64).

Well at least some of it is due to ocean temps breaking records. The Pacific Ocean is warmer than it has ever been in many places along the coast. Earlier this month it was almost 80 degrees (!) down in San Diego.

Why isn't anyone talking about this?
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Theres an unusually warm plume of seawater in the southern california bight, but its not the entire pacific. North of point conception, and in the north central pacific, the water is cooler than average. Its crazy, I live in Laguna Beach 2 blocks from the ocean and up until a few days ago it was WARMER at the immediate coast than inland. Usually its the opposite
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Actually, Scripps recorded a temp of 83.1 F. That's freaking tropical. Broke the highest ever recorded in 100 + years.
I have definitely noticed the high lows.
One of the benefits of living in SoCal is that it generally cools off at night.
It hasn't really this summer. I can't sleep above 70 degrees, and usually I can open windows at night and be cool.
I have rarely opened my windows this summer.
Our AC is working really hard.
 
Yep, higher low temps and humidity. One could be forgiven, given the recent and fairly usual (not a typo) drought, for thinking summer monsoonal moisture is not normal for socal. But it is, which is why there's a name for it.

Higher nighttime temps are bothersome. We need to do something about that.
 
BonsaiNut said:
Not sure what the deal is, but our weather forecasters / reporters are asleep.

I'm sure many of you have noticed how warm and humid it has been this year, and saw the notice of July being the hottest month ever recorded in the history of California.

It is not so much due to the daily HIGHS being that hot... it is the daily LOWS that are running anywhere from 5 to 10 degrees warmer than normal, with much higher humidity than average. I have definitely noticed this because I usually bike at dawn to avoid the heat - and I walk outside at 5:30 and the temps are already 70+ (even when the craptastic weather forecast tells us it is going to get down to 64).

Well at least some of it is due to ocean temps breaking records. The Pacific Ocean is warmer than it has ever been in many places along the coast. Earlier this month it was almost 80 degrees (!) down in San Diego.

Why isn't anyone talking about this?
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Really? EVERYONE is talking about this. It's all over the weather reports on multiple channels up here in L.A.

Perhaps it's an OC conspiracy thing.

We are certainly feeling it up here as well, even worse than OC, in fact because it's usually hotter up here in the hills which block the sea breeze. My electric bill in the Summer is usually $200-$300. I have no doubt that it will be in excess of $400 and maybe even $500 this period.

That said, temps are actually below normal now and they will stay that way for a spell.
 
Racer X said:
Maybe with warmer weather and higher humidity, California won't look so good to those wanting to move here...not that we're overcrowded or anything. :p
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This is the first year in a while when more people actually left Cali than came. So yeah, maybe it's the humidity.

But the humidity is up all over the SW. My friend in Tucson is having a long and heavy monsoon season. It has rained in the afternoon almost every day for weeks. You ought to see how the streets turn into rivers down there when the downpours start up. I told him to send some of that precip out here.
 
After my ride this morning in the Santa Anas, it became clear that the ocean is actually keeping things WARMER by the coast this summer - the opposite of normal.

In my driveway at 6:00AM it was 69. As I headed towards the mountains the temps fell. At the Tree Farm it was 61. Halfway up Black Star it was 57.
 
BonsaiNut said:
After my ride this morning in the Santa Anas, it became clear that the ocean is actually keeping things WARMER by the coast this summer - the opposite of normal.

In my driveway at 6:00AM it was 69. As I headed towards the mountains the temps fell. At the Tree Farm it was 61. Halfway up Black Star it was 57.
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It's also creating a dense marine layer. It's been happening since the temps dropped.

May grey/June gloom in August?! o_O
 
Sounds like we are in for a hell of a winter! And for me personally, I have always thought that a hurricane will some day track up the Gulf of Mexico and of course weaken, but the remnents of it flood the low laying areas of S California, would just take the right set up of highs and lows to set up the jet stream. But now with this alarming thread with the ocean temps and you all actually noticing it affecting the weather, than the possibility of a hurricane seems plausible.
 
hill^billy said:
I have always thought that a hurricane will some day track up the Gulf of Mexico and of course weaken, but the remnents of it flood the low laying areas of S California
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We don't need to only worry about East Coast hurricanes. Hurricanes from the Pacific are an uncommon, but not unknown phenomenon. The cool water is usually a factor in getting them to weaken before they make landfall... but with no cool ocean water...

The rainfall record for Los Angeles dates from a 1939 hurricane that killed over 100 people with 50 mph winds and 12" of rain reported at Mount Wilson. For what it's worth, they are forecasting an unusually calm hurricane season for the Atlantic. Not so for the Pacific (just ask Hawaii).

List of California Hurricanes.

Eastern Pacific Hurricane Tracker.
 
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Hurricanes die in water temps below 80 degrees so we will mever see a full force hurricane make landfall in So Cal unless there is an unusually strong El Nino and all the chips line up perfectly in a row. There was one of some category that hit us in the early 1900s though. And the 1983 El Nino was extremely destructive along our coastline. The odd thing is, we keep having a stronger El Nino than past strong ones but the footprint they leave is weaker and weaker.

BTW, So Cal water temps have already dropped into the low-mid 70s. The stronger onshore influence comes from the North. And that is cooler. Its able to influence us now because that nasty, strong high pressure system that has been parked over the SW all Summer has finally weakened and moved back to Texas. But the battle ain’t over yet. It’ll warm up, then cool down, then repeat until Fall finally settles in.
 
SnakeCharmer said:
Hurricanes die in water temps below 80 degrees so we will mever see a full force hurricane make landfall in So Cal unless there is an unusually strong El Nino and all the chips line up perfectly in a row. There was one of some category that hit us in the early 1900s though. And the 1983 El Nino was extremely destructive along our coastline. The odd thing is, we keep having a stronger El Nino than past strong ones but the footprint they leave is weaker and weaker.

BTW, So Cal water temps have already dropped into the low-mid 70s. The stronger onshore influence comes from the North. And that is cooler. Its able to influence us now because that nasty, strong high pressure system that has been parked over the SW all Summer has finally weakened and moved back to Texas. But the battle ain’t over yet. It’ll warm up, then cool down, then repeat until Fall finally settles in.
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El Niño refers to the warming in the central and east-central Pacific, not eastern off California.
 
Runs with Scissors said:
El Niño refers to the warming in the central and east-central Pacific, not eastern off California.
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Actually it refers to the birth of Jesus - and the December storms that used to hit Northern Mexico around Christmastime.

It is only recently that our "weathermen" latched onto the phrase to use it to refer to something else. They even added in a nice little "la Nina" to refer to an opposite weather pattern. A female Christ child? Hmmm, weathermen, tell me more!

Pineapple Express. Bomb Cyclones. Super Storm Sandy. I guess they need it for the below 100 IQ crowd.
 
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