How much riding do you want to do boys? I personally have not been riding much, so a full AT I probably could not do , I have not seen the top in awhile, but I know it is considerably farther than you have seen! So that is an 20 mile out and back. But what I am really talking about is next door there is some private property (these people have guns) that has a trail cut, I have permission to ride as of yesterday, not sure how long, prolly pretty short maybe a mile or so, but I want to explore it and was thinking of doing it tomorrow. If this group is no more than 4 ? I never asked him if I could bring friends, could be a disapointment or not? For me AT kicks my ass and at this second , I couldn't do both and besides I have to work tomorrow. Oh, I would also say as a courtesy to the land owner, NO STRAVA!!!