I hate flats!

SoCal_Rider

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Four flats this week. That's more than I've had in the last two years.

First one was a sidewall snakebite in a rocky section. Such a tiny hole I couldn't even see it. Stans wouldn't seal it and any pressure over about 20 psi would leak out. Used my CO2 trying and wouldn't have enough for the tube. Limped it back to the truck and went home. I got it to seal at home doing the Stans shake-n-bake...or so I thought.

Next ride two days later about a mile in I feel that dreaded squishy feeling. Sure enough it's another flat. Went straight to the tube this time and finished my ride.

Today, I grab the XC bike for a big day. 12 miles in I cut a sidewall. Went straight for the tube again and continued my ride. Mile 30 I feel that squishy rear again. Sure enough...flat! Now I'm outta tubes & CO2 and still 5 miles from home. After unsuccessfully calling a few neighbors, I get a hold of a buddy to pick my ass up. That would've been a long walk.

Take-aways? I need a bit more pressure in the rear for the rock gardens. And non-EXO Maxxis Ikons shouldn't be ridden in sharp rocks. Live and learn.
 
Definitely trial and error with tubeless. It took me quite a few flats before I realized you need sidewall protection with tubeless. I've had excellent results with Schwalbe Snakeskin and Conti Protection sidewalls. I have only sliced a sidewall once in several years and was able to fix it with super glue.
 
I got a puncture in between knobs on the rear that was driving me nuts at Kokopelli. Finally sealed up in time for the big finale down Porcupine Rim Trail. Got home and rode a week later to have the same leak reopen! :wtf:
Finally had to put a patch on the inside of the tire to win that war! Aghghghghgh!
 
I feel your pain my brother! Insidious has gotten my rear tire at least 4 times! Stans sealed it today!


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Carry a pump.

Also, if you don't ride in thorns a lot, tubes are simpler than tubeless. But, to each his own. Sorry to hear about your struggles and your shortened rides and lengthy walks.
 
I thought this thread might be about flat trails or flat pavement without enough gears, (yikes) or even flat pedals (double yikes). It's been so long since I've had a flat tire that stans wouldn't seal I kinda forgot about what it's like (knocking on wooden head, hoping not jinxing myself, and going out to make sure I've got some fluid and not just stanimals in the tires...)
 
mtbbiker said:
I feel your pain my brother! Insidious has gotten my rear tire at least 4 times! Stans sealed it today!


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Yep. Insidious got my DHR2 EXO Wed. Today I think it was Roller Coaster that got the Ikon EXC. I've had it a long time. Bought it before I knew EXO was the only way to go for rear tires.
 
knucklebuster said:
I thought this thread might be about flat trails or flat pavement without enough gears, (yikes) or even flat pedals (double yikes). It's been so long since I've had a flat tire that stans wouldn't seal I kinda forgot about what it's like (knocking on wooden head, hoping not jinxing myself, and going out to make sure I've got some fluid and not just stanimals in the tires...)

Same here...well at least until this week. I had to think a minute to remember how to put a tube in on the trail.

I'm religious about my Stans. I put a scoop in every 2-3 mos. I have a board in my garage with dates for every bike.

Tubes suck around here. I can't make it a ride or two without a tube going flat. Goatheads take their toll around my house. If you look at my tires they have a half dozen or so wet spots after most rides.
 
SoCal_Rider said:
Tubes suck around here. I can't make it a ride or two without a tube going flat. Goatheads take their toll around my house. If you look at my tires they have a half dozen or so wet spots after most rides.

Got it. But still, carry a pump instead of CO2. think of it as a bonus workout for your arms.
 
herzalot said:
Carry a pump.

I carry a pump in my pack, but I've been going pack less for the last couple of months and really enjoy not having my back soaking wet. Like I said it's been so long since I've flatted that I've just become complacent.

Today a pump wouldn't have helped anyway. A patch kit AND a pump would have. ;-)

Honestly I'm going to keep going pack less and minimalist around town and risk the walk. I'm usually not too far from my truck and there's usually my wife or friends willing to pick my sorry ass up if this happens again. Out of town or big rides I'll wear the pack with all the essentials.
 
Any decent sources with good visual detail of these trails?

Regarding the pack, you can wear it without any water to keep it light weight. Can just blow air into it through the bite valve, and it offers back protection still. I tried going packless, with a seatbag, but it just doesn't work with my dropper post all that well, getting buzzed my tire in the down position.
 
Even pack less I carry the same stuff I have in my pack aside from the mini floor pump. Instead I carry a compact Lezyne pump in my jersey pocket. If two 20g Co2 cartridges won't fit the bill then at least I have a small pump.
 
Absolutely no way I can get away packless cause I simply carry too much crap and I like my water and snacks. I find there isn't much difference between a 5 pound pack and a 10 pound pack as I still sweat the same so I might as well bring it. I run tubeless and still carry a pump, two tubes, and two co2 cartridges, patch kit, tire boot and super glue. I find lately running my Schwables that I need all these items. I'd Rather have it and not need it than do the walk of shame in front of my IMTB bros...
 
Since going tubeless, my experience has been truly magnificent. I shake the crap out of the Stan's bottle to make sure I get a good mix of the fluid and the granules that settle at the bottom of the bottle. I pulled out FIVE thorns at Chino Hills State Park, Stan's sealed all holes and I finished my 25 mile solo ride without skipping a beat. This type of instant sealing has been my only experience. I don't know what else to say but tubeless technology seems flawless with the exception of getting a deep nasty sidewall gash.

Great thread, thanks to everyone for sharing their thoughts and experiences.
 
Varaxis said:
Any decent sources with good visual detail of these trails?

Regarding the pack, you can wear it without any water to keep it light weight. Can just blow air into it through the bite valve, and it offers back protection still. I tried going packless, with a seatbag, but it just doesn't work with my dropper post all that well, getting buzzed my tire in the down position.
You can PM me & I or So-Cal can give you a tour of our trail system in Murrieta. The place has been called many things (The Nursery or Greer Ranch or The Farm), but it's not an official park. Our trails have such names as: Insidious, 215 Enduro, Electrified, Revolution, Matterhorn, EC Phone, jump line. All the trails are just plain fun! Unfortunately it's best to hit this area with a tour guide 1st.


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Running Kenda Tire Turnbull Canyon Pro with Orange seal since November 2013 with 000 flats. Just pulled this
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finishing nail out this past Tuesday = 100 miles ago! No worries I'll be replacing the tire in another 100 or so miles anyway. I like to keep them fresh about every 1500-1600 miles anyway. Happy trails. [emoji482]
 
Had a tubeless blowout today on a off camber little jump, stan's would not seal it and had to tube it. 10 minutes later the tube was going flat, what a day. Got home and put a ton of stan's and it finally sealed it after laying it on the side of the tear. Hoping it will hold up and will order a new one tomorrow.
 
Hey Ryan, at least it wasn't a fat bike flat. Poor Rex. On Saturday he had a sidewall and tried putting a giant tube (looked like a car tire tube) in it. 20 min later he was squsihin away and so he put more air in it. Then again, then again... a few CO2s later and 5 or 6 stops it was determined the valve stem was cut. We finally stopped at the Mill in old town Murrieta for my wife to pick him up. As we pulled in the parking lot, both his tires were covered in goat heads! :lol:

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CarlS said:
Hey Ryan, at least it wasn't a fat bike flat. Poor Rex. On Saturday he had a sidewall and tried putting a giant tube (looked like a car tire tube) in it. 20 min later he was squsihin away and so he put more air in it. Then again, then again... a few CO2s later and 5 or 6 stops it was determined the valve stem was cut. We finally stopped at the Mill in old town Murrieta for my wife to pick him up. As we pulled in the parking lot, both his tires were covered in goat heads! :lol:

Oh man a flat fat would suck for sure. Imagine trying to pump that up without CO2.
 
Mike.the.Spike said:
Since going tubeless, my experience has been truly magnificent. I shake the crap out of the Stan's bottle to make sure I get a good mix of the fluid and the granules that settle at the bottom of the bottle. I pulled out FIVE thorns at Chino Hills State Park, Stan's sealed all holes and I finished my 25 mile solo ride without skipping a beat. This type of instant sealing has been my only experience. I don't know what else to say but tubeless technology seems flawless with the exception of getting a deep nasty sidewall gash.

That has mostly been my experience with tubeless as well, but not without exceptionssss. Since going tubeless almost 6 years ago, I have had a couple of instances where my tires have suffered fatal blows to the tread, and a couple of fatal sidewall cuts. The two sidewall cuts were with Specialized S-Works tires that have VERY thin sidewalls. I don't ride those anymore, and would only recommend those as race day tires, and probably not at all as a rear tire.

The fatal tread incidents are very rare with semi-robust tires, but they still happened. The first was early on in my tubeless experience, and I ran over something that put BIG holes in both the front and rear tires at the same spot at the same time. Still could not figure out what I ran over, but it got both tires and they would not seal up, so I had to use tubes which I was given by buddies that happened to ride by as I was contemplating my situation. Got out just before total darkness set in.

For the next few years I usually rode without tire supplies when riding locally, but always prepared for bear on ride that were not in my local area. or longer in duration/distance. Earlier this year, I started thinking that I should probably see if I could put together kit for local riding so as to avoid a walk of shame. I first got a Topeak Wedge Pack II Micro which was a great size, and attached to a removable mount on my saddle rails and had no strap to go around the dropper seatpost.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.topeak.com/products/bags/wedgepack2_micro" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.topeak.com/products/bags/wedgepack2_micro</a>

It had room for a 29er tube, C02 cartridge and tiny inflator tool, glue-on patch kit, a small mini-tool, a Park tire boot, and a lever or two, and is a pretty good solution . . . . . except. . . . . it would only attach to the horizontal section of the saddle rails. This is a problem for me because I like my saddle mounted to the seatpost as far back on the rails as possible, and this mount forced me to move the saddle forward a good half inch which bugged me. YMMV.

Sure enough, within a week of putting this kit on my bike, my rear tire suffered a puncture from a stick that put a 1/4" hole in the middle of the tread. Surprisingly, after spewing a fair amount of my homebrew sealant, the hole sealed up. However, after less than half a mile, the hole opened again, and after reinflating, would not stop leaking after another 1/4 mile. I happened to have two C02 cartridges, so I used up one to try to limp out tubeless/ Then I decided to put a tube in, and used the other to pump that up. However, the tire did not end up with enough pressure and was super squirmy. It was now dark, and I thought it was going to roll off the rim, but soon ran into a buddy that was riding up (and had lights and a pump), so he inflated my tire enough to get me out as I rode basically in total darkness.

I decided that I should get a pump, and ended up with a Specialized pump that also had an internally mounted C02.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.specialized.com/us/en/ftb/pumps/portable-mountain-pumps/air-tool-combo2-pump" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.specialized.com/us/en/ftb/pu ... ombo2-pump</a>

Not a bad solution, except that it is the only mini-pump they sell that did not come with a mounting bracket. I found a strap with a small piece of padding made for mounting mini-pumps to frames, but the pump still ended up banging against the frame and I didn't want to have my frame get scratched up so I abandoned that pump in favor of a more traditional mini-pump that came with a bracket to mount if under the water bottle cage. A little heavier than I would have preferred, but it is a good enough pump that I won't be quite tempted to throw it over a cliff after pumping up a tire with it.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.specialized.com/us/en/ftb/pumps/portable-mountain-pumps/air-tool-switch-frame-pump" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.specialized.com/us/en/ftb/pu ... frame-pump</a>

As for a seat bag that would peacefully co-exist with a dropper post, and would not require me to keep my saddle pushed back further than I like, I ended up with a Cannondale Speedster saddle bag:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.cannondale.com/nam_en/gear/bag/speedster-small-saddle-bag" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.cannondale.com/nam_en/gear/b ... saddle-bag</a>

This is a pretty compact bag that has just enough room in the main compartment for a 29er tube, a glueless patch kit, and a tire lever. I have to fold the tube into a wedge shape to get it to conform to the shape of the bag so it will go all the way in. I also added the Park tire boot along the roof of the bag which made it slippery enough to get the tube all the way in, and now has a tiny bit of additional room for something else if I need it. It has a strap that would normally go around the seatpost, but this bag is so small that it doesn't actually hit against the post with the strap closed on only itself enough to interfere with the action of the dropper post (or it hasn't yet). This bag also has a small pouch on the underside (with a velcro flap) that will hold a very small mini-tool. I chose this one:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.specialized.com/us/en/ftr/bagstools/tools/emt-micro" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.specialized.com/us/en/ftr/ba ... /emt-micro</a>

So, I think I have my solution worked out for not having to wear a pack on most of my local rides, but still having the provisions to deal with most trailside flat tire situations, as well as having a mini-tool.
 
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