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Runs with Scissors said:
Because I'd be long dead before it got paid for, and so would the next owner. With an average $50/mo electric bill it just isn't worth it.
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I thought you might have had some other kind of restriction. The payback period has really come down to just a few years for many people now.
You are in one of those low use cases where it may not work.
I've long wanted solar. My wife thinks it is ugly.
Our association used to ban it, then the law changed. Now, our association says if we put on solar then we are responsible for our roof. Not wanting to take that on.
 
Rumpled said:
I thought you might have had some other kind of restriction. The payback period has really come down to just a few years for many people now.
You are in one of those low use cases where it may not work.
I've long wanted solar. My wife thinks it is ugly.
Our association used to ban it, then the law changed. Now, our association says if we put on solar then we are responsible for our roof. Not wanting to take that on.
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I actually agree with your wife’s point of it being ugly, some setups look hideous. It definitely makes sense for high use homes but I had numbers run by a friend who owns his own installation business and it didn’t wow me to make the leap knowing we have some roof work in the next five or so years. You also have to be careful with the loan/payment structure, it is my understanding that it does not transfer with the sale of a home so that’s an extra thing to deal with if selling your home while still paying it off. I’d rather wait to pay cash if we go that route.

Luckily our backyard is south facing so the panels would go on the backside. Some homes with them out front just look odd and the panels stuck out like a sore thumb. Solar shingles would interest me more than the panels but crazy expensive.
 
Derkderkall said:
"Disinfectant injections"... coming soon to your corner pharmacy....

ooppps... wrong thread
https://www.imtbtrails.com/forum/threads/how-about-a-little-humor-in-our-time-of-need.9271/
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It is only a matter of time before we have our first disinfectant eating casualty.

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A thought for the day...

We now have three different statistical studies that all suggest the actual incidence rate of CoViD-19 is some factor greater (as high as 20x - 50x) than what is being counted in "confirmed cases". Therefore the true case fatality ratio for this disease is not the 5.7% that is showing up on the Johns Hopkins site... but much lower.

(Please - don't suggest I am saying this isn't a serious disease. 54,000 deaths is "serious")

So I have been looking at the US map and wondering... if the "true" case fatality ratio of this disease is closer to 0.5% - can the difference between the "reported" case fatality ratio and 0.5% indicate the "hidden" number of background cases that are uncounted in each state?

Of course there are several other factors that could create regional skews to the fatality rate like:
(1) Demographics (age, race, etc)
(2) Quantity and quality of health services
(3) Underlying health of population and prevalence of pre-existing conditions.

But it is interesting to consider:
South Dakota is reporting a 0.47% case fatality ratio. Is their uncounted number of cases low?
Michigan is reporting a 8.80% case fatality ratio. Is it reasonable to assume their uncounted number of cases is high?

Or does Michigan just have a much more elderly, unhealthy population and poor health services?

(Note - their testing rates are different, but not nearly different enough to account for the case fatality ratio difference. South Dakota has tested 2,119 people per 1M population. Michigan has tested 1,807 people per 1M population.)
 
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BonsaiNut said:
A thought for the day...

We now have three different statistical studies that all suggest the actual incidence rate of CoViD-19 is some factor greater (as high as 20x - 50x) than what is being counted in "confirmed cases". Therefore the true case fatality ratio for this disease is not the 5.7% that is showing up on the Johns Hopkins site... but much lower.

(Please - don't suggest I am saying this isn't a serious disease. 54,000 deaths is "serious")

So I have been looking at the US map and wondering... if the "true" case fatality ratio of this disease is closer to 0.5% - can the difference between the "reported" case fatality ratio and 0.5% indicate the "hidden" number of background cases that are uncounted in each state?

Of course there are several other factors that could create regional skews to the fatality rate like:
(1) Demographics (age, race, etc)
(2) Quantity and quality of health services
(3) Underlying health of population and prevalence of pre-existing conditions.

But it is interesting to consider:
South Dakota is reporting a 0.47% case fatality ratio. Is their uncounted number of cases low?
Michigan is reporting a 8.80% case fatality ratio. Is it reasonable to assume their uncounted number of cases is high?

Or does Michigan just have a much more elderly, unhealthy population and poor health services?

(Note - their testing rates are different, but not nearly different enough to account for the case fatality ratio difference. South Dakota has tested 2,119 people per 1M population. Michigan has tested 1,807 people per 1M population.)
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20-50X higher? One study, I believe the USC one, said 55-80% higher than what's reported. On top of that, the fatality numbers are let's say..."enhanced". https://www.inquirer.com/health/cor...t-changes-confusion-coroanvirus-20200423.html

This Stanford doctor agrees the numbers don't match the response...https://thehill.com/opinion/healthc...LVccy8laBsVzKyXG_YfM938FSh2eXFeTKh1lzu0CsZVIU
 
 
 
mtbMike said:
20-50X higher? One study, I believe the USC one, said 55-80% higher than what's reported. On top of that, the fatality numbers are let's say..."enhanced". https://www.inquirer.com/health/cor...t-changes-confusion-coroanvirus-20200423.html

This Stanford doctor agrees the numbers don't match the response...https://thehill.com/opinion/healthc...LVccy8laBsVzKyXG_YfM938FSh2eXFeTKh1lzu0CsZVIU
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Pennsylvania listed 200 people who probably died from covid in the same list as those who definitely died.

If this is all a big conspiracy, wouldn’t they never fix the number? Or at least never tell you?

The “Stanford Doctor” is a retired neurosurgeon working at a economics-focused think tank. So read his epidemiology opinions with that in mind. He knows as much about the virus as you do.

Stay safe, and don’t spend you free time looking for a big conspiracy. If you want to be mad at someone, the Chinese Communist Party is a good place to focus your anger.
 
BonsaiNut said:
And here it comes... more people are starting to question the cost of the response versus the cost of the pandemic:

Americans are now desperate for sensible policymakers who have the courage to ignore the panic and rely on facts.

Fact 1: The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from COVID-19.

Fact 2: Protecting older, at-risk people eliminates hospital overcrowding.

Fact 3: Vital population immunity is prevented by total isolation policies, prolonging the problem.

Fact 4: People are dying because other medical care is not getting done due to hypothetical projections.

Fact 5: We have a clearly defined population at risk who can be protected with targeted measures.
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We have lost 6 weeks to this. 2-3 more weeks will make a huge difference to how well we can control the outbreaks.

lose 3 weeks now, or restart the clock to zero in June?
 
tick said:
If this is all a big conspiracy, wouldn’t they never fix the number? Or at least never tell you?
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Where you see conspiracies, I just see ineptitude. You have way too much faith in the government, IMHO, if you think they could pull off a conspiracy of this scale. Plus... to what end?

I have a universally low opinion of government, and the reaction to this pandemic reinforces all of my fears. Sadly, I don't think the best and brightest people in this country work in senior government positions that establish strategic policy. They tell us what they would like us to believe, and hope we don't question them. And when the bill comes due... who pays? We all do.

If someone had said to the Federal government "I want you to cause the most damage to the US economy possible... without killing millions of people" I'm not sure they could have done a better job than what they just did.

tick said:
We have lost 6 weeks to this. 2-3 more weeks will make a huge difference to how well we can control the outbreaks.
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Says who? (I am not trolling you - I am just asking "based on what"?) No one even knows how many people have had the virus, have it currently, or are immune. People are just guessing... but they are burning up more than $100 billion dollars PER DAY while they guess.

Trust me on this... in 60 days (and maybe less) the media is going to turn on the policymakers. Then instead of screaming at them "why aren't you doing MORE?!" they are going to rip into them and ask "why did you do SO MUCH?". Expect to see headlines "What went wrong with our over-reaction to CoViD-19".
 
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tick said:
Pennsylvania listed 200 people who probably died from covid in the same list as those who definitely died.

If this is all a big conspiracy, wouldn’t they never fix the number? Or at least never tell you?

The “Stanford Doctor” is a retired neurosurgeon working at a economics-focused think tank. So read his epidemiology opinions with that in mind. He knows as much about the virus as you do.

Stay safe, and don’t spend you free time looking for a big conspiracy. If you want to be mad at someone, the Chinese Communist Party is a good place to focus your anger.
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Damnit... I was just getting ready to cite Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz. They were on TV! :cautious: :whistling:

Something I’ve said since long before the current administration- If you get your news “free” on the internet or TV, you are a product, not a consumer. I currently pay for four subscriptions: NY Times, LA Times, Wall Street Journal (my favorite...) and Die ZEIT out of Germany. The German is pretty high on my list, because it’s actually written at a college level- unlike any American paper... :thumbsdown: I avoid all of the shrieking on TV news like the plague...

Newspeak come to life.
 
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Faust29 said:
Damnit... I was just getting ready to cite Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz. They were on TV! :cautious: :whistling:

Something I’ve said since long before the current administration- If you get your news “free” on the internet or TV, you are a product, not a consumer. I currently pay for four subscriptions: NY Times, LA Times, Wall Street Journal (my favorite...) and Die ZEIT out of Germany. The German is pretty high on my list, because it’s actually written at a college level- unlike any American paper... :thumbsdown: I avoid all of the shrieking on TV news like the plague...

Newspeak come to life.
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Yes! German news media are top notch. Der Spiegel and Suddeutsche Zeitung are good too.
 
Just read that Chris Cuomo, brother of the NY Governor who fought the disease for three weeks and survived, has been tested and discovered to have antibodies to the "short term" and "long term" antigens. Did they finally discover more than one type of "disease"? First that I've read about it except Chinese studies.
 
I listen to a podcast titled “Science VS”

I had not listened to it in a while. Since Jan 30, they have exclusively focused on the VID.
Going back and listening to it has been enlightening. Some interviews with Fauci and others from back in January.
Worth a listen.
 
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